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Old 10-18-2008, 02:33 PM
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Default Asatru...I know its a common q..... but... please answer its more then the normal.?

Asatru.


Folkisim


Ok. I know Universelism

But even though all the florists are saying "we are not racist"

I define racism as "your this so you have predisposed traits" (such as your good at basketball) ( i dint define racism as pure evil only generally, it can be not terrible (like bad jokes between close friends))

I really need some one to put some limits to this universe.

2 examples

A) Asatruar seeking kin is married to a woman of different race and or religion (in second is accepting of husbands Asatru)

B) seekin participant is different race (not white european or russian)

and do universelists still have Kins? also does anyone have a good web site ( I need to look at them too to be fair)
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Old 10-20-2008, 02:33 PM
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Well, obviously I can't answer for Asatru, however...

I think that stereotypes are expatriated and used incorrectly and harmfully, but do have their base in reality. Does that mean everyone of a specific ethnicity or race carries those negative and/or positive qualities? No, of course not. And it is important to resist that type of tribal thinking. But, humans are tribal, and in these times, people are seeking very desperately to belong. It is the primitive but human response to do so. But it is something that we need to work on not doing. That is, ways that we segregate and place ourselves on high. It is a poor temptation that leads to unskillful acts at best, and violence at worst.

Anyway, I too, have questions about Asatru. I think it is incorrect to think that those of a specific ethnicity will resonate more with a specific set of gods. I have seen people of different ethnicity's have very strong connections to gods of other pantheons. Right now I am thinking of Maya Deren, the American dancer who went to study dance and ritual in Haiti in the 1940s, but then became a powerful Voodoo priestess and wrote an amazing book called Tell My Horse. She was lily white, but those gods called upon her, and she heeded the call.

On the other hand, most Native Americans do not wish for white folks to engage in their religion, and they have a right to that. So accordingly, others do as well. Although, one should consider that Native American culture has been raped to the point of complete degradation, so one can imagine why they want to keep their religion sacred.

Sorry if I digressed, but I thought the feedback was relevant to your question...

BTW, Margot Adler's book, Drawing Down The Moon addresses this very specifically on pp.193-194. It's a great book, too!

Best,

Sarah
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Old 10-21-2008, 02:33 PM
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Google "Jarnsaxa scale." It's a pretty good description of the different levels of Folkism vs. Universalism.
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Old 10-25-2008, 02:33 PM
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I wouldn't strictly be able to answer the second part of this question, since I would be, with my ancestry, on the top of the list to get rid of if we're talking pure breed origin in Asatru.

I can however tell you this: racism is wen you think that a certain group is BETTER or WORSE than other groups because of its traits.
Just the mere fact that certain ethnicity's have different characteristics is - well, fact. Black people have generally very high endurance, white people excel in sheer physical straight, Asian people have the fastest reaction times. These are scientific facts, nothing racist in this.
But the second you say: white people are better than everybody else, this is racist. Everyone is the best for their own environment. Of course, in present times the migrations and multicultural societies made this impossible.

IMO, you don't need to be white European of Scandinavian or Germanic descent to be allowed to be an Astra.AReep in mind that vikings colonised the entire europe, a bit of northern africa, deep into russia and even america. Nowadays, with all this migration it is IMPOSSIBLE to prove that somebody has no viking blood in their veins. It is totally possible that a black person has more viking ancestry than a totally white person.
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