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Old 04-11-2009, 02:44 PM
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Default Asatru is Nationalism (aka Racism)?

Asatru = Nationalism
Nationalism = Racism

Racism and nationalism are the same thing
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Old 04-15-2009, 02:44 PM
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"Racism and nationalism are the same thing"

No, they're not.

Nationalism (noun) - the policy or doctrine of asserting the interests of ones own nation, viewed as separate from the interests of other nations or the common interests of all nations.

Racism (noun) - a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that ones own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
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Old 04-17-2009, 02:44 PM
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No, your wrong. Its about having a sense of duty to your fellowman and being patriotic to your culture and country but not hating on other races which is racism. Racism would involve very bad Byrd that no one needs.
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Old 04-20-2009, 02:44 PM
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They are different.
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Old 04-23-2009, 02:44 PM
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Read a dictionary. Nationalism and racism are two totally different concepts and cannot be equated by inserting an arbitrary symbol between them.
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Old 04-25-2009, 02:44 PM
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No.

Ex:

The U.S. has many different races (black, Hispanic, Asian, middle eastern etc). Now all of them can have nationalism. They can ALL be proud of America, what it stands for etc. But if, say, the Hispanics are holler in at the blacks, saying that they don't belong, nor deserve to be in this country...well THAT is racist and bigoted.

Nationalism, to an extent, I believe is good. But too much is just arrogant. Led to the downfall of the French. Took time to rise back up again.
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Old 04-27-2009, 02:44 PM
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Asatru=Religion
Nationalism=Politics
Racism=Bigotry
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Old 04-30-2009, 02:44 PM
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1) Not inherently, no.
2) Many racist and nationalistic groups gravitate to Asatru, but then a lot of them gravitate to other religions too.
3) Nationalism is not the same as racism. Many racists are nationalists, but many nationalists are not racist at all (The Bloc Quebecois in Canada is a prime example).
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Old 05-03-2009, 02:44 PM
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answer: Try again. Asatru is only racist if the followers are. Fortunately, good Heathens stand against the idiots using the religion to justify their ignorant racism, sexism and homophobia.

Nationalism isn't racism and Asatru isn't Nationalism.

The gods call whom they call, regardless of ethnic background. I know one man who no one can say isn't Tru and he is African-American. Another who is a Latina and is a Heathen.
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Old 05-04-2009, 02:44 PM
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dead wrong.

Astra has always been accepting of other people. but because that pig Hitler chose to associate it with his abominations, racists have used it falsely, and they are every bit as guilty as Hitler for embracing his abhorrent ideology.

real heathens are among the most open-minded and tolerant people i know. racist posers are the skid mark in Odin's underwear.
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Old 05-06-2009, 02:44 PM
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Hey Markus, I see you are back with a new screen name.

Really now, if you want to troll Asatruars this is a pretty lame attempt.
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Old 05-11-2009, 02:44 PM
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In addition to all the fine and true points my fellows made . . .

How could Asatru be "Nationalist" if it exists in multiple nations?

Your slant logic and skewed "point" is typical of trolls.

If you wish to maintain that you aren't a troll simply looking to flame what he doesn't understand, and want to be shown in more detail why your claim is false, go to the Yahoo Message boards, and pose your view so we can have an actual discussion.

Here's a link to a Pagan board
http://messages.yahoo.com/Religion_%26_Beliefs/messagesview?bn=9195143%23askapagan

Are you honest enough for actual discussion?
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