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Old 07-29-2010, 02:38 PM
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Default Could one say atheism requires faith?

Not trying to offend anyone here but would this make sense?

Faith: Believing something without proof

There is no proof there is no deity or god(s). An atheist believes so without proof. Could one say that atheism requires faith?
It puts faith into the existence of no god. There is no proof for the existence of no god just how there is no proof for the existence of a god.

To the mermaid remark: Yes, I believe there are no mermaids. This has not been pr oven to me. I have faith there are no mermaids.
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Old 08-01-2010, 02:38 PM
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yes there is proof, things such as evolution proves that the bible is wrong
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Old 08-03-2010, 02:38 PM
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One could, but one would be wrong. Does your lack of belief in mermaids require faith?
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Old 08-04-2010, 02:38 PM
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No, atheist just means a lack of belief in gods. Not a positive believe that there are no gods. This is the logical, agnostic position.
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Old 08-06-2010, 02:38 PM
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Of course one could say it.

One can also say the moose in McDonald's is the essence of stability.
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Old 08-10-2010, 02:38 PM
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about as much faith as it takes not to believe in the tooth fairy
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Old 08-13-2010, 02:38 PM
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no...

Atheists don't believe in the supernatural... because there is evidence to suggest it doesn't exist, like rules/laws of science, etc.

I'm atheist, I don't have faith that there is no God. I'm pretty sure there isn't one, not in the Christian sense, but I could be wrong. Nothing in this world is really absolute, but I won't believe in something that has no physical evidence.
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Old 08-16-2010, 02:38 PM
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One could say that, however an Atheist would say you do not need faith to believe that something does not exist



Edit: Evolution is not proof as it is only a theory there is no solid evidence that humans evolved from lower life forms
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Old 08-19-2010, 02:38 PM
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Yah, a lot more faith than I could ever have. Especially when they are evolutionists, which most of them are. That takes a lot more faith to believe than creation does. It's so obvious that they are willfully ignorant, and delusional. But, don't tell them that, as they get all angry and try to hurt you. Bullies.
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Old 08-23-2010, 02:38 PM
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Yes, faith in all things worldly, as opposed to the religious faith in things Godly.
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Old 08-25-2010, 02:38 PM
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"An atheist believes so without proof. Could one say that atheism requires faith?"

No, an atheist lacks belief because there is no proof.

Do you have faith there are no unicorns? How about having faith that Santa Claus does not exist? Or do you lack belief in those things?

There is a universe of difference between believing in a negative and lacking belief in a positive.
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Old 08-26-2010, 02:38 PM
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Yes, I have met some very spiritual atheists. They have faith in their atheism. Humanists are like this. I have also met some some very materialistic believers too.
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Old 08-28-2010, 02:38 PM
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there is no proof for God
there is no proof against God

all we know is that there is a need for a beginning. a first cause. something which there was nothing before.

So yes, any belief in something there is no proof for, is a belief and thus requires faith
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Old 08-29-2010, 02:38 PM
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Do you need faith to say that ghosts don't exist? The burden of proof is on the hands of those that claim that god exists, not on atheists. Atheists are more than open to real, indisputable evidence that there is a god. Show it!
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Old 08-31-2010, 02:38 PM
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That witch is presented with no evidence can be dismissed with no evidence. the hypothesis that gods exist was put forward with no evidence, so ISO factor, it can be dismissed with no evidence.
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Old 09-02-2010, 02:38 PM
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a play on words would confuse people
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Old 09-04-2010, 02:38 PM
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They have no faith in a God but have faith that nothing exists other than what is in front of them.
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Old 09-07-2010, 02:38 PM
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No.
First, you made a false assumption -- that atheists "believe" there is no god.
There are no "beliefs" in atheism.
We simply don't believe YOUR claims (or anyone Else's) that there IS a god.

You might rely on "faith" that there are no mermaids, but rational people simply don't accept claims that there ARE mermaids, because there's no evidence to show there are.

Peace.
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Old 09-12-2010, 02:38 PM
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It makes absolutely no sense.

It would be like asking: "Does someone "that has no faith" have faith?"

Theism is the belief in a deity.
Atheism is the LACK of belief in a deity.

A person does not have to have faith or be certain that something does not exist, in order not to believe in it.

And it doesn't even have anything to do with if they are right or wrong.

For example:

In the 1700s, how many people believed in television or that radio existed?

They didn't need faith to believe that, it just never entered their minds at all. No one believed in radio or television.

Today, most people believe in radio and television.

So what changed?

Today people can see, witness and experience radio and television, so they know it exists. It has nothing to do with faith.

Faith is when someone believes in something, when there is no proof of its existence, because if it existed, one doesn't need blind faith in order to believe in it.

Instead of atheists, why don't you consider agnostics.

They could care less about any of this.

They don't believe in a god, and don't believe that there is no god.

They just sit back with a tub of popcorn and watch all the atheist and theists argue with each other over something that really isn't important or worth arguing about.
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Old 09-15-2010, 02:38 PM
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Yes, I would say that atheism requires faith. Otherwise, why would someone spend so much time going against what they say they do not believe in. How can you say I do not believe in God, but defend your belief every chance you get. Either you do or you do not. If God is a mythical creature or being that atheist describe him as, why does it bother them so much when we speak of him. It doesn't bother me that Snow White is fairy tale, so I don't speak on that. If every time someone mentioned Snow White as being a real person, and I ranted off my belief that she was not, would that not make people wonder, is there some truth to this. It saddens me that there are so many unbelievers. But God is a part of all of us us rather we like it or not. God has a way of revealing His self to unbelievers and believers as well, rather through Atheism or Christianity. We as Christians do not have to defend our faith every chance we get, but we do have to have faith and when God tells us to speak on his behalf, then do just that. And maybe just maybe we can convert a non believer. Trust me, I know, because I have seen it done. Love 1
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Old 09-19-2010, 02:38 PM
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No, faith is when you believe something independently of the available evidence. For most atheists this is NOT the case.
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Old 09-24-2010, 02:38 PM
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Isn't this really just an admission that faith is worthless? You've tied yourself in such knots to turn skepticism into a faith based position, that you have undermined your own position. I take it you are a theist, you have faith in god, but you've basically said that you need to have faith in just about everything until pr oven otherwise in which case god is now just one of a near infinite series
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