Suppose you found a watch in the middle of the desert. What would you conclude? Would you think someone dad dropped the watch? Or would you suppose that the watch came by itself? Of course, no sane person would say the watch just happened to emerge from the sand.
All the intricate working parts could not simply develop from the metals that lay buried in the earth. The watch must have a manufacturer. If a watch tells an accurate time, we expect the manufacturer must be intelligent. Blind chance cannot produce a working watch. But what else tells accurate time? Consider the sunrise and the sunset. Their timings are so strictly regulated that scientist scan publish in advance the sunrise and sunset times in your daily newspaper, but who regulated the timings of sunrise and sunset? If a watch cannot work without an intelligent maker, how can the sun appear to rise and set with such clockwork regularity? Could this occur by itself? Consider also that we benefit from the sun only because it remains at a safe distance from the earth.
A distances that averages 93 million miles. If it get much closer, the earth would burn up. And if it got too far away, the earth would turn into an icy planet making human life here impossible. Who decided in advance that this was the right distance? Could it just happen by chance. Withuot the sun, plants would not grow. Then animals and humans wools starve. Did the sun just decide to be there for us? We need to experience sunrise. We need the sun energy and its light to see our way during the day. But we also need sunset. We need a break for the heat, we need the cool of the night and we need the lights to go out so we may sleep. Who regulated this process to provide what we need?
Moreover, if we had only the warmth of the sun and the protection of the atmosphere we would want something more-beauty. Our clothes provide warmth and protection, yet we design them also to look beautiful/knowing our need for beauty, the designer of the sunrise and the sunset also made the view of them to be simply breathtaking. The Creator who gave us light, energy, protection and beauty deserves our thanks. Yet some people insist that He does not exist. What would they think if they a watch in the desert? An accurate and working watch? A beautiful designed watch? Would they not conclude that there does exist a watchmaker. One who appreciates beauty. Such is God who made us.
A watch is clearly made by a watch maker, it's man made. However, if I saw a tree, I wouldn't conclude it has been made by a designer. There's a difference between manufactured goods and nature.
Timings of the sun rise/set are accurate because laws of physics stay constant, and through experimentation we have accurately model led those laws, and can use them to predict what will happen in the future.
We live in an environment suitable for our life BECAUSE it's suitable. Life could exist here, so it has. Our existence is the result, not the cause.
We only know that watches were designed because we know where they come from.
If the universe had been littered with watches from the dawn of time, we wouldn't think of them as being designed.
The design-necessitates a designer argument only applies to objects which we KNOW are designed. We know where paintings come from, thus when we see a painting, we can conclude that a painter created it.
Yet, this cannot be applied to the universe, as the universe's origins are still mysterious. Extrapolating a designer remains extrapolation, not a necessary condition of order in the universe.
So basically you're using the watchmaker fallacy and then demonstrating a misunderstanding of science
The watchmaker is clearly a more complex being than the watch itself, and if complexity alone proves intelligent design, then who made the complex being known to you as God? Before you answer that, remember that a watch cannot make itself.
If you found a god of complexity what would you conclude? That he was made?
If you saw a Tiger in the Jungle what would you conclude? A Jewish carpenter made him?
Honestly, I stopped reading it as soon as I found out how long it is...sorry, I don't have that kind of patience. Also, you should use the spell checker, since it does exist for a reason...
Old, tired argument. You cannot compare artificial items such as watches with natural ones such as rocks. Also, since we evolved to fit the prevailing conditions on Earth, it's hardly surprising that they are right for us.
You're using arguments that are invalid - logical fallacies. These arguments have been pr oven wrong by science a 100 times over. I don't know why you guys continue using these arguments.
The "watchmaker", "fine tuning", and 100 other creationist arguments are just not valid. Do some research from actual scientific sources and learn more - you'll be able to make more educated arguments and not look like an ignorant fool. If you go to the religious sources of information (Discovery institute, answers in genesis, etc.) you are getting information that has not been through the scientific process with peer review and do not have scientific consensus. This is alpha and omega in supporting your arguments.
travel to different parts on this planet and i bet you wont survive more than a few a days...without provisions for extreme cold or heat, man cannot survive....he does adapt....
fucking hell, is every idiot alive going to reiterate the watch maker nonsense?
If conditions were different, life here would be different or it wouldn't exist. You're not the special little snowflake you think you are. Ask the dinosaurs, or one of the countless lifeless planets in this universe. If this is fine-tuned for life, it's a sh!t job. In addition, I've seen people make watches, have you seen gods make universes? So what are you blathering about?
First of all, a watch is a terrible example, because we manufacture them.
Second, not everything in our bodies is perfect. We also have evidence that our bodies represent movement from one form to another, i.e. transition, such as, for example, the overgrown use of the appendix.
As for the Earth being a perfect distance from the sun and so forth, this is a common mistake for people who don't understand probability very well. The Earth is not perfectly placed for us to inhabit it. We happen to live in a place that is accommodating to life. It's the other way around. That one planet in the whole Universe might be perfect for sustaining life, given the number of stars and stars with planets... is really not that astounding. The fact you didn't end up on Pluto is simply the result of Pluto not being accommodating to life, therefore you couldn't have ended up being born on Pluto.
As for the last paragraph, you seem to assume that evolution takes away any legitimacy to our sense of beauty. Why? Evolution makes no such claim.
If a watch had become sentient and found itself in the desert what would it conclude if it had found nothing but other watches, no watch parts, no CAD drawings for watches, and nothing, anywhere but inanimate objects?
*yawn*...So why did your God only give us ONE planet out of 9 in our solar system we could live on?
Why waste his time creating all those other things in the universe if we can't use them. Seems like your God wasted a lot of time, effort and ENERGY. LOL.
First of all, you've got your facts completely wrong. The sun is not at a safe distance from earth. The earth is at a safe distance from the sun.
You're thinking this backwards. The earth wasn't placed at the perfect distance so that we may exist. Life is trying to exist everywhere there are good atmospheric conditions.
About the day and night, there are 6 months of day at the north and south pol, and 6 months of night. They still sleep during day and still live during the night. Don't imagine that they sleep for 6 months.
The sun doesn't revolve around the earth, it's vice verse. The earth revolves around the sun. As you may have noticed, the sun's positions have chanced over the years. That doesn't mean that the "godly watch" got broken and needs a fix. It simply means it happened.
If I had found a watch in the middle of the desert, I would be happy I found it, put it in my pocket, and consider myself lucky.
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