How can some atheists believe in energy, but scoff at the idea of an always-existing

Scientifically, energy cannot be created nor destroyed. It is always existing. Why can't God be part of this? It makes sense! I hate when atheists say, Where did God come from? Uh, hello, where did energy come from?

Also, do pantheists ever incorporate Catholicism? I mean, what if energy is God, since both have the same qualities?

energy isn't going to throw me into a lake of fire for not believing in it

There's evidence for energy. And if energy has always existed, then what's the point of a creator?

There is a big difference. We can observe the effects that energy has, and energy hasn't been claimed to be the intelligent designer of the universe.

To the person who gave me a thumb down: Oh, I must be totally mistaken, we actually can't observe the effects that energy has, and it has indeed been claimed to be the intelligent designer of the universe.

This is something I believe from childhood - God is akin to energy, that is why Bible says : God is a Spirit.

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You're to smart. You need to write a book.

Atheist's often confuse themselves with Agnostics. More the reason to call them very confused.

Energy is testable, measurable and its effect can be felt and seen. Therefore it is not about belief in energy but acceptance of it

According to physicists , of the universe there will be nothing left at all, no energy, no nothing and I prefer to listen to them rather than some US theist of some kind making out they're clever.

I can prove energy exists, you cannot prove your god exists.

Last I checked, energy wasn't sentient.

we ask where God came from because you use the argument that everything must have a beginning and a creator....You guys have a problem with an always existing universe.

Why call it God, give it properties that are illogical ad worship it when you can call it energy and try to understand it.

No god came from the imagination of man to explain the unexplainable.

Energy didn't come from man's imagination.

Yeah, I know. It's weird, isn't it?

And I don't know if Pantheists incorporate Catholicism, but I doubt it. Catholicism teaches Jehovah as God, and Pantheism teaches that nature and the universe are God, or the same as.

@Allergic to Bullsh!t : Neither is God.

Here's the answer to your question about where the energy came from.

There are many well-respected physicists, such as Stephen Hawking, Lawrence Krauss, Sean M. Carroll, Victor Stenger, Michio Kaku, Robert A.J. Matthews, and Nobel laureate Frank Wilczek, who have created scientific models where the Big Bang and thus the entire universe could arise from nothing but quantum fluctuations of vacuum energy -- via natural processes.

I know that this doesn't make sense in our Newtonian experience, but it does in the realm of quantum mechanics and relativity. As Nobel laureate physicist Richard Feynman wrote, ?The theory of quantum electrodynamics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And it agrees fully with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as she is ? absurd.?

For more, watch the video at the link - "A Universe From Nothing" by Lawrence Krauss

"To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today."
? Isaac Asimov
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I can scientifically measure energy, but not your god.


***"Also, do pantheists ever incorporate Catholicism ..."***

Absolutely.

Almost all existing traditions that have been "converted" by Catholics have examples where the people cling to their old gods while accepting the new one.

why do believers have to create an always existing god when matter and energy have always existed?

i believe in energy cos its a scientific pr oven, observable measurable fact, god isn't, so people can scoff at it being anything that's claimed till threes actual evidence to back it up

"Where did god come from?" is only a statement used, when creationists claim that nothing can come from nothing. Atheists aren't necessarily denying the possibility of always existent stuff.

Creationists will of course answer this with a resounding "well, why can't you believe in god then, huh!?"

Oh you silly creationists. As we have tried to tell you for the last couple of millenniums: we won't believe in god because of a great lack of both evidence AND possibility.

But energy can be measured and observed. Your god, and all of the other gods humans have invented and worshiped, cannot.