Agnostics always say "If all of us are honest, we are all agnostics and we are all born agnostics.".
Doesn't it sound awfully similar to this --> "If all of us are honest, we were all made to worship God and in our hearts we know Him."
Is agnosticism a delusion too?
Gods and pixies/elves are essentially the same. Both have been believed and mentioned in many cultures and cannot be proved or disproved. There is no good reason to be an agnostic toward gods.
So now I should be "intellectually honest" and consider the existence of the huge pink unicorn that MIGHT exist beyond our universe?
Yes - agnosticism is a self-deception. You either believe that God [as Jesus Christ] exists or you don?t. As Jesus said in Matthew 12:30; ' ... he who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.?
Agnostics are *kitties. We all know that on the inside they either do or don't believe in god. They're just scared to put their opinion out there. A bunch fence sitters
Unless you know of some definitive evidence for the existence of gods that the rest of us don't know about then there is no good reason not to be agnostic.
There's nothing wrong with agnosticism. I'm agnostic about pixies and elves. Sure, that's a pretty strange way of putting it, but it's hardly delusional.
Agnosticism is not a belief system at all. It doesn't refer to god or any religion it refers to knowledge alone. Agnosticism just means "without knowledge". In religious discussions it refers more to whether you assert something is true or not. All of us are agnostic about what is true about a god.
I don't believe that agnosticism is correct. It's not about not agreeing with the principles of the belief (as an atheist, even I can appreciate someone right to believe whatever they wish to), but agnosticism sounds too much like "I don't want to upset anyone, so I'll just say I don't know."
None of us do know anything, but we create our beliefs based on our own hypothesis', something every individual is capable of. In that sense I agree that agnosticism is a type of delusion also.
Cheir u said that answer to my question post. Agnostic means your sitting on the fence. But there are some agnostics, like myself, who put more money on the side that says theirs no god. Thats what an agnostic atheist is.
While I understand where you are coming from, just as with the unicorn example you gave, we logical people shouldn't consider the existence of things simply because they *could* exist. (e.g, we can't disprove the flying spaghetti monster, so he might be real).
From a scientific standpoint, if there is absolutely no evidence supporting some thing's existence, it's not real. The moment we do find evidence, though, a good skeptic will take it into account and open their mind to that specific phenomenon.
The way I think about it is, we have no idea how this universe began. Scientists have theories but most likely, we will never know how this "something" came from nothing. I am a skeptical, agnostic atheist. I do not believe in any God that has to do with religion. However, that does not mean I can rule out a more advanced intelligence. Science has suggested that underlying our fundamental fabric of existence, the universe is intelligent at its core and our consciousness is produced by it. Whether or not I believe in a religious God is not the point. I cannot prove that underneath it all, that something fishy (higher intelligence) wasn't and isn't going on. I like the mystery.
Agnosticism is the realization that there are very few things with zero probability.
Gods and pixies/elves are essentially the same. Both have been believed and mentioned in many cultures and cannot be proved or disproved. There is no good reason to be an agnostic toward gods."
You really need to go get a dictionary here. Agnostic means that you are without absolute knowledge of deities. You do not know if they exist or not. Being unable to prove if gods are real or not is the perfect reason to be agnostic.
But in common parlance I suspect that the majority of people who say 'I am an agnostic' really mean 'I am an atheist' but, for whatever reason, do not like the word 'atheist'.
Next time someone describes themselves as agnostic ask them what deity they believe in. If they say that they do not believe in a deity then they are an atheist. A- (without) theism (belief in a deity).
sorry this one went over my head but I don't Dee what your asking really, what is the question?
Who really cares if fairies are real? why should anyone care if god is real? I guess one gets you into heaven and the other sprinkles fairy dust on you so you can fly or make a wish, in any case it seems to me it's selfish needs that drive a lot of people to religion, if there was nothing in it for them would they still devote themselves to religion? You know I don't believe in god, but I believe on bringing no harm to others and being a good person I feel a person should learn right and wrong and that the choices you make aren't simply washed away because you believe in a god. you know a crazy guy comes into the store I work at and calls my Friend a sinner, yet he buys liquor a lot, the same thing happened with my bf dad he had the nerve to tell me I needed to believe in god when he was drunk on the other line. sorry I know it's a lot of text.
I'm a mix of both, being an agnostic atheist. I don't think a god exists. I don't find one to be necessary. But I am open to the possibility of some kind of something having created reality and the universe and, if more universes exist, all the other universes. Why are those other universes there if they do exist? Why is anything the way it is (laws of physics, etc.; are they different in the other universes)? Why is any of this even here at all? There could be no reason for any of it, or something could have made it all for reasons only they know. So no, I don't think agnosticism is a delusion, unless they're agnostic about any of the gods invented by man. That to me would be a delusion.
The reason that agnostics are intellectually honest is that they say that they don't know if God exists or not. An atheist is intellectually dishonest because he says that God doesn't exist. In logic, you can only prove what is, it is impossible to prove what is not. For a person to be able to honestly say that God does not exist they would have to know all of the possible information in the universe, which is humanly impossible. This is because they don't know that some information that they don't have, does prove that God exists.
Since it is impossible for a human to honestly say that God does not exist, why do they say that? They must have their own agenda.
Some people can say that they believe that God exists and it is intellectually honest for them to say that. I can say that I know that God exists because I have experienced complete union with Him which is not a mental experience. Many people have experienced different degrees of the Presence of God, which is also not a mental experience.
I spent 2 years living in a Yoga ashram and studied with our teacher for 1 year prior to that and 4 years after that. Among many things we did we did a variety of mental exorcises that taught me by experience what is mental and what is Spirit. I am a Roman Catholic Christian but I continue my yoga exorcises. By the way. Those postures that people call Yoga are not Yoga. They are a small part of a system of Hatha Yoga which is a lower Yoga. I also worked for 20 years as a Registered Nurse in psychiatric units in hospitals.
Did you ever think that people who claim to be agnostic are still doing the research to find an idea that suits them? I was agnostic for most of my life, but just recently came to an idea I can believe in. I think most agnostics eventually come to some sort of understanding. The main problem is that too many people are self-righteous and feel the need to shove their beliefs down people's throats. I know that for years I was made to feel less than human by most Christians I talked to about religion, just because I disagree with the Bible, never mind that I spread love and peace wherever I go (like someone you may have heard of.) To say that there is no good reason to be agnostic toward God/Gods is to say that we must believe everything we are told, even if it doesn't make sense to some people. Some people are smart enough to think for themselves and sometimes, it takes awhile to wash away the what has been pounded into us from day one to find a belief that makes sense to us. You don't just wake up one morning and say 'this is what I'm going to believe in for the rest of my life and I'm right and everyone who opposes me is wrong." I mean, some people do, but a majority of intellectuals don't. What give you the right to judge?
AGNOSTIC ? Does not believe anything can be know about or proved about a god. Thus they can still believe a god exists. This description obviously fits a lot of Christians!
Acceptance of a supernatural claim tends to promote cooperative social relationships. This communication demonstrates a willingness to accept, without skepticism, the influence of the speaker in a way similar to a child's acceptance of the influence of a parent. By encouraging this kind of behavior where the most intense social relationships occur it facilitates the lack of skepticism and deters more open minded thinking.
They are christian, Muslim or the other religions depending where they were born simply because they were indoctrinated by their parents as very young children. They will go on to indoctrinate their own children and those will go on to indoctrinate their grandchildren!
Atheists have the intellect to see through the conditioning and escape into the real world!
Agnostics have the intellect to see through the conditioning but lack the courage to throw of the conditioning entirely.
Sadly Christians are still held firmly prisoner by the self perpetuating brainwashing!
Atheists : About Agnosticism?
