why are so many atheists/evolutionists nasty towards people who don't believe the fairy tale they do?i know i can't judge everyone the same but i have yet to meet a atheist/evolutionist that is able to hold a debate without resorting to insults or getting nasty(even Richard Hawkins does it),i have stopped trying to engage in debates with them now as its like talking to a brick wall.i can't tell you how many nasty insulting emails i have had just for expressing my views and even now as i ask this question i know i will get a load of insults so if you want to insult me it will just prove me right.
"why are so many atheists/evolutionists nasty towards people who don't believe the fairy tale they do?"
Um, our "fairy tale" as you put it, is backed up by evidence, facts and Scientific research.
Yours, on the other hand, is backed up by, fairy tales, myths and sheer nonsense.
Any questions?
"i know i will get a load of insults so if you want to insult me it will just prove me right."
At least you know this question is worthy of scorn and ridicule. Yet you think it somehow makes you "right". I'm betting your medications ran out a little while ago. Am I right?
Because you do things like call their belief a "FAIRY TALE". Insults aren't met well. If you don't know that, you need more help than Yahoo can give you.
I quite understand that there's no point in arguing with you. By not arguing, I wouldn't get to the point where I was so overwhelmingly frustrated that I resort to curses.
However, the idea of "they insult and use bad language, therefore I must be right," makes no sense whatsoever.
If I find your arguments to justify hatred and bigotry meaningless, there's no reason to be nasty.
But I AM entitled to disagree with your crazy, made-up stories that defy reason.............really, it is my duty.
i agree with you.
what i find so interesting about the people who fall into these categories (evolutionists and atheists) is that they claim to be opened minded. i have always thrived to be accepting of other peoples beliefs and have always allowed other people to express themselves. all i ask is to be allowed to do the same.
You started your post with an insult (calling the hard work of others a fairy tale) and then said that the insults of others would prove you right.....? You can't seem to help yourself from constantly proving the stereotype that believers are hypocrites. Hypocrites can't be trusted to correctly interpret reality and are generally only worthy of being ignored.
Did you seriously just open up with //"why are so many atheists/evolutionists nasty towards people"// then finish off with, //''who don't believe the fairy tale they do.''//
It gets even worse when you consider how evident evolution really is.
Actually, if you have ever seen Richard Dawkins interviewing a theist, he is extremely respectful whilst arguing. Or maybe arguing is seen as being nasty. I know some theists take of fence at being questioned but that, I feel, is their problem.
You complain about people insulting you and then insult everyone else. Nice touch... so when someone doesn't agree with you, they are insulting you? Fascinating...
I respond to questions in the same vein in which I perceive them to be posed. If nasty, honest or humorous. The problem with the written word is that it is two dimensional and you need to assume intentions and emotions. Sometimes we do it incorrectly, it happens. Although I do see some here that should be just ignored across the board...
IMHO sorry if you may consider this an 'insult'... that is your problem, not mine...
"why are so many atheists/evolutionists nasty towards people who don't believe the fairy tale they do?"
I'm not. I'm only nasty to people who refer to something as being a 'fairy tale' when it is clear that they know nothing about the subject. I'm nasty to people who think that ignorance is not only a virtue, but something to be propagated. Lastly I'm nasty to people who whine and bitch and moan whenever someone disagrees with them.
BTW, I'm also nasty to hypocrites who criticize atheists for doing the same things that they are doing.
Atheists don't believe in a god. There's no such thing as an "evolutionist", but if there was, it would be someone who believes the Theory of Evolution to be accurate. The majority of Christians would fall under your definition of "evolutionist", so the two are not necessarily linked.
You're being insulting when you say that "atheists/evolutionists" believe in a "fairy tale". That "fairy tale" just happens to be the most heavily supported scientific theory we have, and forms the basis for all modern medicine and biology. You reject it outright for no other reason than it conflicts with your religious beliefs, which have no basis in reality. You're the one believing in a fairy tale!
There's a difference in being nasty and insulting and being forthright. What you perceive as insults is usually just the truth being told in a forceful manner, yet you are blind to the insults originating from your side of the argument.
Maybe I should insult you, just so you can be right about something for once!
Because our fairy tale is more plausible than yours.
I have never been nasty to anyone here. I try to keep my answers short and humorous or longer and respectful.
You see by calling our belief in evolution a fairy tale you insult our beliefs. A pretty nasty thing to do. I am not a brick wall and resent being called one.
You see it is a 'he said - He said' thing. You can't prove God's hand on creation and we can't prove evolution at the scale required....we can however prove evolution - the Galapagos Finch -which is more than religious types can do for creation. There is also the fact that most scientific proof of evolution is discounted by Christianity as being a 'test of faith'.... fossils etc.. Given that Christianity cannot come up with a more persuasive argument than 'a test of faith' then it isn't hard to see why so many atheists see Christianity as a crutch for those who can't handle reality. Like Marx said, 'religion is the opium of the masses'.
It is uncritical acceptance of dogmatic orthodoxy that I have the biggest problem with. Religion is not written in stone when the entirety of scripture is not adhered to. The fact that some Christians are OK with the idea that 'seven days' could mean millions of years and some are not creates another problem. The lack of dogmatic uniformity betrays disagreement within Christianity which means that it is possible within Christianity to choose which church offers the most personally acceptable version of religious truth. This does not speak of universal religious truth but rather a fractured faith, divided in its interpretation of the word of God. If Christianity can't agree on the mechanics of creation then maybe they are just talking about evolution in a spiritual context.
I hope I have not offended you, only challenged your comfortable version of dogmatic truth. God gave you the ability to question...use it.
First;
'Atheists and evolutionists read this?'
Drawing attention are we? Looking for a fight? Summed up with;
'I have stopped trying to engage in debates with them now as its like talking to a brick wall.'
Yes. That's why you put this question in, then.
Second;
Using 'fairy tale' to describe/question someone Else's belief, then complaining about being insulted. Clever.
'...if you want to insult me it will just prove me right.'
Wrong! You started the slanging match and people in glass towers shouldn't throw rocks.
Third;
You're not debating, you're just a troll!
I think the problem is that while Atheists can understand some of the reasons why people believe in things that they don't, they often get sucked into the nasty cynicism that can sometimes come from not having the meaning religious and spiritual people get from their beliefs.
Religious people on the opposite side of the spectrum are so immersed in their own beliefs that not only do they not respect other people's spiritual views (that are just as valid BTW), but they look down on those who choose to 'worship' the physical and measurable as if they're missing something or are doomed because they don't believe. It's so offensive and arrogant. They're so sure that they know all the secrets of life and the universe that they stop looking for answers elsewhere and stop asking questions. It's impossible to get along with someone who refuses to understand you and refuses to accept your point of view. There will always be that barrier between you in that case. How can you have a meaningful conversation with someone who shouts out their own opinions and then basically sticks their fingers in their ears and screams like a child when you try to give your own point of view - and by extension, evidence that puts theirs into question.
What results is a hell of a lot of communication, frustration and a general feeling of ramming your head against a wall because the religious person wants the non-religious person to see the wonderful things that they do (which can can go either way, depending on the attitude) and the non-religious party wants the religious one to learn how spirituality can be just as illogical, irrational and, whether anyone likes it or not, completely absurd as it can be beautiful, affirming and connecting.
Basically, what needs to happen is people need to learn to listen to each other. And that goes both ways. Non-religious people need to stop being so uptight and dismissive and religious people need to stop trying to impress their own beliefs on others. Both need to stop adopting the "I'm right and you're wrong" attitude. Until that happens, healthy dialogEUill always be difficult.
What you have to remember is that non-religious people DO have beliefs already, beliefs in science and logic and technology and that which can be measured, analysed and proved. They also have beliefs in philosophies and personal ideas about their world that they have formed themselves based on their own experiences and relationships. These beliefs, much like those in the Bible and the Qur'an and a Wiccan's Book of Shadows, have been thought through heavily, they have been contemplated for years and have been integrated into the way people view their world. And they like the way they view their world. It works for them, it makes sense to them and it is no less colourful and inspiring as that of, say, a Christian or a Hindu. Would you accept someone pushing their different beliefs on you in that case? Would you accept people calling what you believe in a fairytale or nonsense? Of course you wouldn't. Who are they to tell you what you can or can't, should or shouldn't believe?
The fact you call evolution and atheism a fairytale and immediately, completely dismiss masses of evidence is precisely why people will insult you, religious and non-religious. Until you can learn to see things from the other side, the reaction will always be the same. And to be honest, even though I am fairly spiritual myself, I don't blame them.
atheists and evolutionists read this?
