It takes more faith to be an atheist then to believe in God.
If people were to have invented the God of Christianity, it is unlikely that it would be the demanding God of the Bible.The holiness of God is described as being above anything that humans can attain, such that no human can stand before Him as holy. Behaving more morally upright than most other people is not sufficient to escape the punishment of the God of the Bible. In nearly all religions, salvation is attained through human effort. Only in Christianity does salvation come solely as a gift from God.
Go to WNW.godandscience.org. It shows proof of God through Science.
u hate my question because u know what I say is true.
GO to the website I put an then tell me that there is no scientific proof of God.
They have to believe in God, for without the belief in God, there would be no atheist. One must recognize the possible existence of God, to deny it. They actually destroy their own unbelief.
There is no proof of a God. and which God to you mean. There are reputed to be dozens of them, if not more.
If you are ready enough to believe in one, it's because of a faith in one, that you have been taught to believe in.
If your parents had been Muslims, you would practice Islam. If they were Jewish, then Judaism, would be your faith. So it all boils down to chance.
You are just spouting nonsense.
There is no scientific proof of a God, that's why they call it faith. Trust without proof.
You don't have to believe in "God" to be morally upright, but I guess that depends on your definition of God. God to me means doing the moral and right thing in the first place. The Bible is a book of lessons and guidelines to morals written by very wise people long ago. The Bible (to me) is one of many different works attempting to explain morality as well as other unknowns (such as creation). Because, often times, people who belong to a particular religion, take their books to seriously (sorry if I am being stereotypical), many decide not to partake in the believe of God.
But, some people, such as me, wish not to address the exact details of God, because, it becomes so based on little Etty bitty details, that it losses it's true meaning (my definition), "Morality".
Now Satanist on the other hand are an entirely different story... people who want to do bad things and know it= bad
My Opinion: If you do moral/right things, it doesn't really matter what book you're following.
Wow your question makes almost no logical sense at all. It is very likely that the God created by man would be demanding and attempt to exert control over others. That way people who claim to know his will can use that control against others, as have many European kings, popes, cult leaders. It fits perfectly
The word "holy" is meaningless of course to nonbelievers, as is "salvation" since we do not believe that man is inherently evil, and requires salvation. Only Christians and Jews believe in the inherent evilness of man. Which is quite ironic actually, since they also claim to believe that man was made in God's image.
Apparently you have more faith than you think you do then! You reject Thor and Odin. That takes more faith than believing in Thor and Odin because Thor and Odin are too demanding to have simply been invented. If you are not a fearless warrior, you will not make it to Valhalla.
Those statements annoy you only because you know they're true.
This is a great question, I give you a thumbs up for this one. I was thinking this same thing, but couldn't quite get it into words.
God must exist to even say He doesn't exist.
I know that God did give us all a will and a choice, and I hope that one day these SO CALLED atheist will stop running from God
and just receive the wonderful joy, peace, and love He has for them.
Atheists make no claim, therefore there is no faith involved. It may not seem like it, but it's as simple as that.
However, you said that "The holiness of God is described as being above anything that humans can attain". If humans created God, why wouldn't it be possible for them to say this, as well? It's not fair to say that it would be unlikely for any scenario. If humans took the liberty to create a higher power, then it's certainly *not* unlikely that they took the liberty to create "God's" rules as they wish.
Just because the rules may seem difficult doesn't automatically mean that they couldn't have been created by man. Christianity isn't the first religion this world has seen, nor was it the first to offer a set of rules which people were to abide by.
To answer your question, why don't atheists believe in god? Because they don't have a reason to.
Why must your Christian god be the correct one? Because your Christian bible says so, right? Are you able to demonstrate why your god is the real one? So since not why do you expect people to believe it? The fact that many religious groups are absolutely convinced that their god is the true one clearly demonstrates that mass delusion is a very real phenomena. And no there is no strong evidence of a god much less proof.
To say that humans would not likely have invented the God of the Bible, given the opportunity and assuming some wish to create a God, is at once incorrect and irrelevant.
One of the assumptions we're dealing with here, one that your website also makes, is that the "baseline" is God, i.e. you start with God and defend or make evidence from there. I think a lot of what goes on with atheism has do with throwing everything out, everything, and starting with nothing and seeing what you can get at from there. It's very hard to make room for the supernatural in a situation like that. For example, if you get lost in the woods and have to find stuff to eat, you're not going to have a lot of time to spend just being saved and loved by God. Those squire ls aren't just going to walk up to you because you were made in the image of God and it's more important for you to survive. What you do is make traps, because traps obey specific and relatively fundamental laws and are predictable. That's called reason, and it's mostly "cause and effect." (Cause and effect, your website might make gains by pointing out, is put into question by quantum physics, I understand, but guess what: when I blow my nose, snot will come out every time. So you can get as theoretical as you want, just stay away from my tissues?and my kids, for that matter.)
The other problem is that if you assume "The Bible" as a baseline, you distract yourself from the fact that it is a compilation of a larger group of texts written during many different time periods by many different people, and for different reasons. I believe there is general consensus about religious texts arising from a human existential need, along with?importantly?a need for societal order. So that inventing a god wasn't ever just about having a god cause having gods is nice, it's also about needing a way to keep people under control.
It's not always nice to not take somebody Else's bread because you just want it, but you have to have some sort of contract in order for a society to function, whether it's Leviticus or the Constitution and Bill of Rights. And what's more binding than cutting off the tip of your penis in order to enter into a contract with a supernatural being who will turn you into a pillar of salt without a second thought?
Too correct some people: atheist don't believe in god at all. Agnostics are the ones who believe that there's a chance for god. There is simply no god...period. This coming from someone who was a Christian and understands, completely, both sides of this argument. Most Christians seem to have the strange idea that they are right just because they think they are. That ignorance doesn't allow them to answer even the simplest of questions with thought or reason. But atheist being of sound mind and using logic and reason to tackle the question of the christian gods existence can find solid facts to refute that question and that religion for that matter. I feel like I'm arguing with children when arguing with Christians.
This is the answer as in the holy Quran:
And they say: "What is there but our life in this world? We shall die and we live, and nothing but Time can destroy us." But of that they have no knowledge; they merely conjecture:
And when Our Clear Signs are rehearsed to them, their argument is nothing but this: they say, "Bring (back) our forefathers, if what ye say is true!"
Say: "It is Allah Who gives you life, then gives you death; then He will gather you together for the Day of Judgment about which there is no doubt": but most men do not understand.
To Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and the Day that the Hour of Judgment is established; that Day will the dealers in Falsehood perish!
And thou wilt see every sect bowing the knee: every sect will be called to its Record: "This Day shall ye be recompensed for all that ye did!
"This Our Record speaks about you with truth: for We were wont to put on record all that ye did."
Then, as to those who believed and did righteous deeds, their Lord will admit them to His Mercy: that will be the Achievement for all to see.
But as to those who rejected Allah, (to them will be said): "Were not Our Signs rehearsed to you? But ye were arrogant, and were a people given to sin!
"And when it was said that the promise of Allah was true, and that the Hour, there was no doubt about its (coming), ye used to say, `We know not what is the Hour: we only think it is an idea, and we have no firm assurance.'"
Then will appear to them the evil (fruits) of what they did, and they will be completely encircled by that which they used to mock at!
It will also be said: "This Day We will forget you as ye forgot the meeting of this Day of yours! and your abode is the Fire, and no helpers have ye!
"This, because ye used to take the Signs of Allah in jest, and the life of the world deceived you;" (from) that Day, therefore, they shall not be taken out thence, nor shall they be received into Grace.
Then Praise be to Allah, Lord of the heavens and Lord of the earth, Lord and Cherisher of all the worlds!
To Him be Glory throughout the heavens and the earth: and He is Exalted in Power, Full of Wisdom!
There is no such thing as an atheist. For they would have to have considered the possibility of God to claim to be an atheist, therefore there are only agnostics.
Holy crap pun intended. I can't believe how ludicrous some people's arguments are.
NEWS FLASH: If someone Deny's the existence of something (such as god), it doesn't make it real just because they ponder its existence for 1 microsecond!! Or it doesn't make the denial any less real either!
Using that logic, no one could ever NOT believe in anything at all, because by not believing in something, you had to think about it, therefore you must believe in it on some level.
Yea I deny the existence of Santa Claus. Ooops, I just pondered it and denied it, so I guess he must be real now!
Oh and I also deny that my pet dog can jump over a 100 story skyscraper using a broken pogo stick with 2 broken legs. OOOPS! I just denied it, so I guess that's true too!!! Go figure.
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I went to the site you posted out of curiosity and read a couple of the articles and scanned some of the others. I can honestly say that I have never in my life read such a poor excuse for scientific evidence of anything. Not a single word I read had any bearing in science, and none of it was demonstrated to be the least bit true via the scientific method. In fact, some of the things I read were so ridiculous it made me laugh out loud.
The writer of the website tries to counter a point by atheists that there is so much killing and evil in the world by saying that 9/11 could have actually been worse. In fact, it was a "miracle" that more people didn't die in the World Trade Center!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Un-Freaking-Believable how any person with half a brain could spin something as horrific as 9/11 and say god made it be less devastating than it actually would've been!! The whole website is littered with complete and utter crap like this, and they claim its all science! MFA. Go ahead and believe it, you are about as gullible as they come if you do.
But if you go around and claim that the crap on that site is "proof", then you're gonna have everyone who knows anything about science say your full of it. They will know it is impossible to prove the existence of god, just like it is impossible to disprove his existence. But us atheists have something called common sense.
What? Your question makes me tired. I don't really know what you are going for here, but I don't know how to answer you because you are all over the place. Atheists don't believe in god because they don't. Leave it alone.
(Sigh) I'm sorry but you're quite incorrect and quite sadly you don't even understand what it means to have faith. If you need scientific proof, *you have no faith.* Faith is belief in absence of reason. It is the exact opposite of reason. The moment you start asking for scientific proof, you've admitted that your faith is lacking and you have lost the argument.
Rationalists do not "believe" there is no god. We reject the concept as arbitrary. It is a construct of the mind and therefore irrational. It is not a question of faith. It is a matter of reason. You need to read up on the term "epistemology" and understand the fundamental difference between faith and reason.
"Scientific proof that god exists" is simply an oxymoron and proof that you don't understand what faith really is.
Why dont atheists believe in God? (Read below)?
