Hi all:
I have a friend that practices Baha'i religion.
He says that religion is last religion and best one in the world.
I am undecided to convert to this religion,,, right now I have no religion,,, is there any better religion that Baha'i ???
No... it is actually an Eastern new age apostate religion and it will dove tail nicely with the one world government and one world religion. It is empty and very new age despite what they say...
Actually... it is quite messy too and full of contradictions..
Christ within god, or God within Christ ? No in the name of God. "
?Further than this (Bah?'u'll?h) man has no other point for concentration. He is god." (Star of the West Feb.7,1914)
"Were any of the all-embracing Manifestations of God to declare: "I am God," He, verify, speaker the truth, and no doubt attacheThhereto. For ... through their Revelation, their attributes and names, the Revelation of God, His names and His attributes, are made manifest in the world. ...."(Gleanings p.50-55)
As we can see even within their own belief framework they contradict themselves. The claim Jesus cannot be God or have God dwell in him and then they can say the other manifestations are God. (which would include Jesus). which is it? It is also contending God is the same by many names in different religions.
This also contradicts the Scripture of which Jesus said,
John 14:10: "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? "
John 14:11: "Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me"
John 10:30: "I and My Father are one."
Jesus is called the Only Begotten son of God for a reason- there is no other like Him.
Baha'u'llah continues...'And were any of them to voice the utterance, "I am the Messenger of God," He, also, speaketh the truth, the indubitable truth.' (Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 54).
So anyone who claims to be a messenger of God speaks the truth? How Can Bah?'?' know this, or do they just accept it? How would this be possible if the messengers contradict each other? Is God confused? Or are the messengers of the different religions delivering different concepts of God and what He requires of man and the Bahai do not understand this.
Baha'u'llah thought of himself as more than just a messenger or manifestation. He wrote: ?O Jews! If ye be intent on crucifying once again Jesus, the Spirit of God, put Me to death, for He hath once more, in My person, been made manifest unto you? (Gleanings, p.100).
Here their prophet claims to be like Jesus in the incarnation. He even wrote to Pope Pius IX the following: ?O Pope! Rend the veils asunder. He Who is the Lord of Lords is come overshadowing with clouds,...He, verily, has come down from Heaven even as He came down the first time? (Proclamation of Baha'u'llah, p.83)
Here it is plain what Baha'u'llah thought of himself. He made himself a competitor with Jesus. He denies that Jesus was God but then states he is as the Lord that came the first time.
Here is the very opposite of Bah?'?'s previous statements.
"Ten thousand prophets, each a Moses, are thunderstruck upon the Sinai of their search at his forbidding voice "thou shalt not behold me!" whilst a myriad of messengers, each as great as Jesus, stand dismayed upon the heavenly thrones by the interdiction, "mine essence shalt never be apprehend." (Gleanings from the writings of Bah?'u'll?h p.62)
Myriads as great as Jesus, really. Did any rise from the dead, did any do miracles like him ? No. What of Moses? The Bible says " But since then there has not arisen in Israel a prophet like Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face" (Deut. 34:10).
Whose right about Moses? The Bible or Bah?'?.
Abdul Baha " writes therefore all that the human reality discovers & understands of the names the attributes and the perfection of god refer to his holy manifestations, there is no access to anything else. THE WAY IS CLOSED & SEEKING IS FORBIDDEN. (Abdul Baha, Questions pg. 169 )
The infallible Center of the Covenant (Abdu?l Baha) said that Confucius was a Manifestation (Promulgation of Universal Peace, p.346), which is the position held today.
The infallible Guardian (Shoghi Effendi) states, "Confucius was not a Prophet (Manifestation)" (Lights of Guidance, p.349). He's right, he was a philosopher.
We have Abraham triumphing over the forces of Nimrod (Bah?'? Faith pg. 15). These two men lived in very different times at least in the Bible. Interesting that we would not even read of this in their book except for the fact of the Bible recording it.
"Thus hath Muhammad, the Point of the Qur'an, revealed: "I am all the Prophets." Likewise, He saith: "I am the first Adam, Noah, Moses, and Jesus." Similar statements have been made by Imim 'Ali" (Gleanings from the writings of Bah?'u'll?h p.51).
If Mohammed claimed this he certainly was proven wrong, but I don't think he ever said this. He claimed he was the last prophet which is ignored by Bah?'? and so they make the same mistake for Bah?'u'll?h and claim he is the last prophet for our age.
"That which thou hast heard concerning Abraham, the Friend of the All-Merciful, is the truth, and no doubt is there about it. The Voice of God commanded Him to offer up Ishmael as a sacrifice, so that His steadfastness in the Faith of God and His detachment from all else but him may be demonstrated unto men. The purpose of God, moreover was to sacrifice him as a ransom for the sins and iniquities of all the peoples of the earth. ( Gleanings from the writings of Bah?'u'll?h p.75 -76 )
This is the teaching of Islam not the Bible, so we have an absolute contradiction. Not only the fact that Ishmael was never considered a ransom for the sins of the world, but to be a ransom for sin according to Islamic teaching is false. There was never any ransom of sin for the whole world in the Old Testament in Judaism, only for the nation Israel. Only in the New Testament with Jesus is this found. It is in Islam where we find the teaching of Ishmael being raised instead of Isaac. They believe Abraham was a true prophet but he said it was Isaac not Ishmael. Besides, Bah?'?s do not believe in sins needing to be forgiven with a sacrifice. This passage is inimical at the least.
?Allah or Yahweh, God or Brahma?we are speaking about the same unique Being.? (The Bahai world, the Bahai concept of God)
How is this possible when Allah has no son and Brahama is impersonal, that god exists in everything increation. The God of the Bible has a son and is personal. These are different Gods- that is why they are different religions.
Bah?'?'s John Esslemont explains that, "Bah?'u'll?h teaches that the universe is without beginning in time. It is a perpetual emanation from the Great First Cause." (J. E. Esslemont, Bah?'u'll?h and the New Era, 3d ed. 1970,p. 204.)
Gen. 1:1 in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. That is a complete difference of no beginning and having a beginning.
Dr. John Esselmont heard and recorded that Abdu'l Baha stated which year "Universal peace will firmly be established...and misunderstandings will pass away." This was 1957 (BAHA'U'LLA'H AND THE NEW ERA 1923 p.212) later editions were changed after Esselmont's death as 1963 and gave an indefinite meaning to the year.
"Who are the false prophets The false prophets are those teachings which are against the teachings of Christ. These false teachings, which are spread around the world today, are nationalism, racism and materialism. Each of these teachings divides men?All claims that Christ has returned need to be investigated, to see whether they are true or false. Do they agree with the teachings of Christ? Are the new teachings going improve the world? Is there a divine Book?" (The Return of Christ p.8)
By Bah?'?'s own criteria what they propose is demolished. According to Christianity, it is the Bah?'?' who are the false teachers, not those who have followed and preserved the teachings of Christ! Jesus Christ himself warned that any who come in his name and office who do not speak correctly according to the Bible are to be rejected, this includes the Bah?'?'s. If one listens to Christ they cannot listen to Bah?'u'll?h, they are contradictory. If he is Christ as they claim where is he now?
every religion contains violence. read the bible. it's full of it. I'm also researching the Baha'i faith and someone directed me towards http://www.bahai.org. you should try to meet others who belong to the faith besides your friend that may give you more perspective.
Love
seriously, something we should all believe in
instead of doing these rituals and other stuff
Look at Jesus, Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr. and many others, they all stood for LOVE.
Jesus was a manifestation of love in human form, personal idea.
MLK Jr. fought for love and paved the future for alto more of it.
When it boils down to it, we should follow some of the morals of alto of religions but we all have to find our own inner beliefs and faith with whatever we think is or isn't out there.
the best thing is to study all the religion and then decide it Ur self as yahoo community will misguide u in this regard.
just to correct one thing and that is Islam is the last religion
I am a Baha'i and we believe that every religion is specific for that particular time, so 2000 years ago, the Chrsitian religion was perfect for that time, 1260 somewhat years ago, Islam was perfect for that time, now there came a new religion , about 165 years ago , for this time ( the Baha'i faith), so that's what he meant by best ( i guess) and last , well its the last for now, but later times will change, so will religion, so there will come another Manifestation of God to apply new rules adapted to that time .
I hope i could help you !! and.. if you have anymore questions, feel free to contact me
Is Baha'i last religion and best religion?
