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Old 08-17-2009, 04:52 AM
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Default Atheists, Christians (all sects), Baha'i and Muslims, please explain this quote?

Dear all, what do you think Jesus meant by this quote from the NT:

Lk 19:27 =
27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me
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Old 08-22-2009, 04:52 AM
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i believe it is pretty obvious.

convert or die.
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Old 08-27-2009, 04:52 AM
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It's a recipe for pancakes.

They're good too.
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Old 08-28-2009, 04:52 AM
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well I'm not big on bible quotes, i usually haven't a clue what they say
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ill give it a go

'anyone that does not obey me are my enemy's will die here and now in front of me'
that's what i get from it
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Old 08-31-2009, 04:52 AM
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So much for peace and love eh?
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Old 09-04-2009, 04:52 AM
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he lets his true malevolent nature slip out in that verse. doesn't he.
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Old 09-07-2009, 04:52 AM
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do what i say, believe what i say, or die.
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Old 09-11-2009, 04:52 AM
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In layman's terms:

Luke 19:27* - "Believe or your screwed."

Pretty much a fear tactic that Christanity uses to gain followers. Most religions, however, have this in some form or another.


* - not sure if I did that right
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Old 09-13-2009, 04:52 AM
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Jesus said that when He was telling a parable in which the master of the house said that. Did you take that out of context purposely? Well, regardless, God bless.

P.S: CHRISTIANS, READ THE TEXT.
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Old 09-16-2009, 04:52 AM
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you're gonna get the Christians telling you that it's a parable. strictly speaking, it IS a parable. but a parable is a story that teaches a moral lesson. this one is saying that if you don't follow him, Jesus, you will burn in hell forever. 'slay them' refers to a second death, a spiritual death that occurs in hell. it does not refer to physical death.

that said, to me it's perhaps even more repugnant. at least when you kill someone the ordeal is over relatively quickly and then you aren't in pain any longer. according to christian theology Jesus is dictating eternal torture for the paltry offense of not following him.

nice huh? it's scatologicalALenocide.
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Old 09-20-2009, 04:52 AM
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i think it is Christians WHO should explain themeechomenton them!in order not to be said"out of context".

by the way we muslims believe that jesus "peace be upon him" is an honorable prophet of God.
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Old 09-25-2009, 04:52 AM
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I think he's saying that he wants people to kill anyone who won't submit to his authority. It's self explanatory.
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Old 09-26-2009, 04:52 AM
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It's pretty obvious.

But I have a further comment:

Luke attributes this quote to Jesus. Unlike their "savior", the apostles were sinners. So why would they be above lying through their teeth?
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Old 09-27-2009, 04:52 AM
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"If they don't worship Me, kill them."
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Old 10-02-2009, 04:52 AM
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like a slaughter house, ethnic cleansing, genocide.
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Old 10-05-2009, 04:52 AM
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Simply, Jesus was a character in this myth that out of one side of his mouth wanted peace and out the other side of his mouth wanted death to those who didn't believe exactly like he did.
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Old 10-07-2009, 04:52 AM
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Rev 20:14-15 explains Luke 19:27, which is part of the white throne judgment.
Rev 20:14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone?s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Luke 19:11 ??While they were listening to these things, Jesus went on to tell a parable, because He was near Jerusalem, and they supposed that the kingdom of God was going to appear immediately. 12 So He said, ?A nobleman went to a distant country to receive a kingdom for himself, and then return. 13 ?And he called ten of his slaves, and gave them ten Mina's and said to them, ?Do business with this until I come back.? 14 ?But his citizens hated him and sent a delegation after him, saying, ?We do not want this man to reign over us.? 15 ?When he returned, after receiving the kingdom, he ordered that these slaves, to whom he had given the money, be called to him so that he might know what business they had done. 16 ?The first appeared, saying, ?Master, your Mina has made ten Mina's more.? 17 ?And he said to him, ?Well done, good slave, because you have been faithful in a very little thing, you are to be in authority over ten cities.? 18 ?The second came, saying, ?Your Mina, master, has made five Mina's.? 19 ?And he said to him also, ?And you are to be over five cities.? 20 ?Another came, saying, ?Master, here is your Mina, which I kept put away in a handkerchief; 21 for I was afraid of you, because you are an exacting man; you take up what you did not lay down and reap what you did not sow.? 22 ?He *said to him, ?By your own words I will judge you, you worthless slave. Did you know that I am an exacting man, taking up what I did not lay down and reaping what I did not sow? 23 ?Then why did you not put my money in the bank, and having come, I would have collected it with interest?? 24 ?Then he said to the bystanders, ?Take the Mina away from him and give it to the one who has the ten Mina's.? 25 ?And they said to him, ?Master, he has ten Mina's already.? 26 ?I tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. 27 ?But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence.?
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Old 10-09-2009, 04:52 AM
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He means that all those who will not accept His authority are to be summarily executed in His presence.

Luke is attempting to legitimize Christ's authority, using the propaganda techniques of his day -- namely, vivid threats of pain and suffering. Thankfully, modern democracies now know exactly how to deal with such evil blood-thirsty tyrants. ...a quick march to the gallows, just like Saddam.
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Old 10-11-2009, 04:52 AM
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Note: To put my view in context (unlike this quote) I am an agnostic.

This is the very end of the Parable of the Ten Minas. The more accepted meaning of which has already been said. It may be that the unnamed nobleman was meant to represent Jesus.

But if that last part seems a bit extreme remember that this punishment would then represent the judgment that the Romans would receive in the afterlife. Not in this world.

Also, there is another, less violent version of this parable in Mathew 25:14-30 "The Parable of the Talents" So you might go with that if you prefer it.
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Old 10-14-2009, 04:52 AM
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What do you think about the phrase ??
Are you an enemy of Christ ? read the story of Christ ,did he slay anyone ? Did he ever ask any of his followers to slay anyone.
Jesus here was referring to his second coming and to the Judgment that must happen.
It means at the Second Coming of Christ every knee will bow.The will be no opposition to Christ at this time.
Jesus clearly states that he's mission is to win over unbelievers - Save them from the imminent death and destruction (including the soul),so that they can live forever- have eternal life.
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Old 10-17-2009, 04:52 AM
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those are the people who knows the truth about God but are ignorant about it!
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Old 10-20-2009, 04:52 AM
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I'm just curious did any of you read the story I mean the whole story not just this little passage Lil, anyone can take a passage and twist it and turn it to make it out to be anything they want it to be, I honestly don't think you people even understand what your talking about, and jeez I'm Jewish and I get it, I'm not a bible beater and I'm friends with a lot of atheist and Christians and so on, It's about mutual respect and not being ignorant and I just wonder why do we spend so much time worrying what's going to happen to us when we die for goodness sake let's just enjoy now and live who really cares just live a good life and let your neighbor believe what they want as long as there not bugging you and you them just live and let live, who cares this life is so short why are we wasting it arguing over stupid stuff?
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Old 10-25-2009, 04:52 AM
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Don't insult us. we're Christians but not stupid. We don't take things out of context, like most intelligent people wouldn't. If you want the truth it's there. If you're goal is to make a few people look stupid, that's you're prerogative, but in the end you lose, not us.
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Old 10-27-2009, 04:52 AM
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Bring the people with hate into a world of love through Jesus.
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