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Old 12-18-2008, 08:15 PM
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Default Jehovah's Witnesses, why should I accept your beliefs over the beliefs and evidence o

Cite as many examples as you reasonably can, and give me ways that in your view the Mormon beliefs are more supportable than a similar or opposing view held by the Baha'is. Specifically, why a given belief or principle is a strong one or strongly supports the Mormon beliefs and in what way the Baha'i beliefs are weak in that regard.

As an example, you claim that Christ returned invisibly in 1914. Baha'u'llah claimed to be the physical return of Christ and there is a tremendous amount of evidence to back up His claim. Why should I accept your beliefs over those of the Baha'is? In what way are your views on the return of Christ logically stronger than the claims of the Baha'is. That is just one possible example of many things you could cite. But give me something to go on.

I will be checking back and responding to any answers that seem to indicate there is a need to respond.
My apologies for my now rather blatant goof. I am doing as much copy and paste as I can due to a repetitive motion injury and forgot to change Mormon to Jehovah's Witnesses in the details above. I just before that asked a similar question of the Mormons.
Dr. Bob, I am not mixed up, just have my mind on a close relative that has been recently diagnosed with multiple Yulma. But it is Charles Taze Russell, not Tase. See, it happens to even the best of us. By the by, you have made some statements that on the surface sound good, but I have have long ago looked at them and many more similar ones much deeper than just the surface and simply put, your assertions about the Baha'i Faith lack substance. I may offer a better response, but only if I can make it one short enough to put in here.
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Old 12-20-2008, 08:15 PM
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Hey, buddy! The book of Mormon is true!
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Old 12-22-2008, 08:15 PM
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Baha'is win yet again
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Old 12-24-2008, 08:15 PM
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JWs have offended my Jesus:
Now a little poem to our Watchtower "faithful and discreet slaves" at Brooklyn Headquarters,

THE JESUS OF THE WATCHTOWER

The Watchtower Archangel Michael shows an alarming trend to recycle, in the heavens a god, then Jesus the man, dissolved and recreated as Michael.

J.W.'s tell you today that they are the truth, and the way, but their Christ is an angel, their dates are a tangle, they are told what to do and to say.
My JESUS no Angel is He, shed His blood on Calvary for me.
He is GOD, He is MAN, I with Him take my stand,
no need to RECYCLE --- MICHAEL! ! !

Now - you and JWs need to connect to the real Jesus:
the non Christian really has no logical alternative but to accept that Jesus is God:

?I?m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don?t accept his claim to be God.? That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic-on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg-or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God; or else a madman or something worse.

You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon; or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God. ?

For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
Col 2:9 (NIV)
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Old 12-27-2008, 08:15 PM
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Sadly, I think you're very mixed up.

The Jehovah's Witnesses were started by Charles Tase Russel. They don't follow anything in the Book of Mormon, but they repeatedly make up dates for the coming of Jesus. When Jesus doesn't come and the predictions don't come to pass, they adjust the dates or claim the coming of Christ was figurative.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, otherwise known as the Mormons, were started by Joseph Smith and a magical book and special seer stones, neither of which anyone has ever seen.

Both cults (and they are indeed cults) reject the key tenet of Christianity -- the belief that Jesus was divine -- and then they claim to be the only true Christians. In effect, they attempt to co-opt the label "Christian".

Baha'ists believe in the multiple revelations of God through different belief systems. This is illogical. The belief systems each contradict one another and make mutually exclusive claims, and thus if Baha'i is correct, God is, at a minimum, a liar and a deceiver because he tells only partial truths.

All three beliefs contradict scripture, lack logical foundation, and are dependent upon one founder who thinks he's special and has received special information about Jesus Christ. They're all frauds.
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Old 12-29-2008, 08:15 PM
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Uh buddy I'm a Jew and I can't necessarily answer you but why not go to watchtower.org get in contact with a Jew and if he can't answer your question they will find someone that will
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Old 12-30-2008, 08:15 PM
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FIRST.....We need to verify is the bible is reliable and inspired by God.....after doing that the next is.....we show you What we believe the below information:

Under the rule of Jesus Christ and his heavenly co rulers, peace and happiness will prevail in all the earth. (Psalm 37:9-11) Those in God's memory will be resurrected and will enjoy perfect health. (Acts 24:15) By their faithfulness to God, obedient mankind will be granted what our original parents lost?everlasting life in human perfection on a paradise earth.?Revelation 21:3, 4.

Then if the bible is reliable and we show that our believes are bible based then we are telling a right information.
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Old 01-03-2009, 08:15 PM
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Hi... in 1914 Jesus was made king of Jehovah's kingdom. He has not been sent to the earth to rid the world of those who oppose Jehovah. His first act was to throw Satan and those angels that chose not to worship God down the earth. Because Satan was thrown down to the earth he knows that he has a short time. He is angry. Look at everything that the world has gone through since 1914. There has been an intense rise of violence and anger from people in general. The morals have eroded to the point of repugnance.

Here are a few signs that show that we are in the time of the end of this system of things:

Here is a sampling of Matthew 24

"4?And in answer Jesus said to them: ?Look out that nobody misleads YOU; 5?for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ?I am the Christ,? and will mislead many. 6?YOU are going to hear of wars and reports of wars; see that YOU are not terrified. For these things must take place, but the end is not yet.
7??For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8?All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.
9??Then people will deliver YOU up to tribulation and will kill YOU, and YOU will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name. 10?Then, also, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. 11?And many false prophets will arise and mislead many; 12?and because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off. 13?But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved. 14?And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come."

Notice vs 24. The good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited world for a witness to all the nations.

Look what is happening in the middle east. Things are moving quickly. Why?

The countries that has been opposed to Christianity in general looks to be opening up. There will be an opportunity for us to go into those nations and preach. I think we will see all those nations and others that is in opposition to Christianity will open up. Jehovah wants people all over the world to know the warning that we are preaching. And he is giving us the opportunity. God's kingdom is coming quickly!
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Old 01-06-2009, 08:15 PM
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As believers of the Bible as Almighty God's word to us as humans, I have to say that there are a couple of things that spring to mind about how the Baha'i faith does not conform with it.

Firstly, they believe that God is omnipresent, and yet the Bible teaches that God has a dwelling place. From that dwelling place (heaven) He is all-seeing & uses his power (holy spirit) to accomplish anything He desires to. He cannot have a specific dwelling place & yet also be omnipresent.
See 1Kings 8:49; John 16:28; Hebrews 9:24

Would he be in disgusting & depraved places? In the hearts of wicked as they perform their terrible deeds? - Obviously not, because he is too holy. Clearly God is not omnipresent.
All powerful - yes. Omnipresent - no

Another belief they have that is not supported by the Bible is the belief that we have a separate soul that goes on after death. The Bible is clear when it says that we ARE a soul (our life force & body) Notice, in Genesis 2:7 when God animated Adam with life... he CAME TO BE a living soul.
(see also 1 Corinthians 15:45 & 1 Peter 3:20)

Also, Ezekiel 18:4 shows that the soul that is sinning will die
& Psalm 146:4 shows that when a person dies, his thoughts perish
(see also Ecclesiastes 9:5,10)

Those are just two things that spring to mind.
So, what it comes down to is whether or not you accept that the Bible is God's word, and whether or not you accept what is contained in it
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Old 01-11-2009, 08:15 PM
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I have a dear friend who thanks the Jehovahs witnesses for leading her to the Baha'i faith. I have great religious discussions with this woman and love and respect her greatly.
I am curious about her faith and we are delving into it
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