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Old 01-02-2009, 11:15 AM
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Default Is it true that the Shi'a Sufi, Ahmadiyya and Baha'i do not support the Jihad?

One of my friends - GI Joe, as you know him, had once told me that not all the sects of Islam support the Jihad of Mohammad.

I am not as well read as him in Islam, though I have studied it quite a bit. However, this is really something that has been bothering me for a while, because I find it hard to believe that one can believe in Mohammad and not subscribe to the Agenda for World Domination and Jihad.

I would appreciate it if I could get straight answers from people of these sects.

Any references of where their texts say that with correct Sarah's and ayahs etc, which I can check, would be appreciated.

I cannot stop those who want to just heckle and say stupid things; but, let me advise you that your behavior here is what is reflected upon all Muslim everywhere. Do what you wish.

I would deeply appreciate your prefacing your Answer with declaring which Sect you belong to - Like "I'm a Shi'a" or "I'm a Baha'i" so that I can know what the viewpoint on this is from each Sect.

Also, if you don't mind, please let me know what is the position of your sect about the relations between your people and the disbelievers that is the recommended practice with Sarah's and ayahs etc, if possible. We already know that the Sunni version is that they shouldn't make friends with disbelievers, at least, sincerely.
I wonder what happened to Holidays and Ramadan, because I couldn't find that choice!?
Salman, most of us gaffers do not have the luxury of being able to be on the Net 24/7.

I've only been able to afford 2 hours, once, on Sunday and, I'm hardly a few days old here. My major interest was in Computers and Internet where I really could help people and came to R&S and Ramadan just a few days ago.

For that matter, I'm using an account that another friend of mine stopped using.

I did try the route you are saying there, but the choice of Holidays didn't show when I clicked on Society and Culture and I tried that thrice!?!?
Thank you for your Answer, mod.

I am being open minded and up front and honest.

I'm also not forming any opinions yet, unless I see enough proof of that, and I am asking for the people concerned to clarify their stance and I'm not being judgmental.

I did snap at some Muslims who got my goat when I first came in, but, now, I've got over that.

Anyway, thanks for your inputs. It's appreciated.
That's exactly the reason that I'm asking this Question, someday.

I want to know if the Agenda for World Domination and Jihad is what makes a Muslim a Muslim; or has the Muslim declare him a disbeliever because he doesn't support that part of Islam.
Thank you Smashing Pumpkins.

That was helpful in understanding Jihad.

Pity you forgot about the question about who is a Muslim.

Deeply appreciate the effort, though.
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Old 01-03-2009, 11:15 AM
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they are not recognized by Muslims who are shies or Sunni.. Bauhaus are a sect different from Islam and they are a mixed of religions..along Islam. Christianity and Judaism.. and the other sect is kinda Muslim but they believe a founder and they believe they are reformist Muslims..they are rejected by Sunni Muslims.. shias are another branch of the islam.. the main is the twelveth imams look up about them.. they are in iran and some parts of the middle east.
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Old 01-08-2009, 11:15 AM
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I thought you hangout 24hrs in Ramadan section!

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Old 01-10-2009, 11:15 AM
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I am not Shia, Ahmadiyya and Baha'i but a Muslim only my Quran and Mohammed PBUH not teach us any violence Pl read..................

Before blindly accepting what the TV, radio or newspaper is reporting, one should think critically about what is being reported. Is this being reported accurately, or is it being exaggerated or even completely fabricated? Who are these people reporting the news, and do they have vested interests to report the story in a certain way, or are they completely objective and fair? Critical thinking is very important in all aspects of life, especially when it comes to accepting the media reports about important and controversial issues.

Islam is in fact a religion that promotes peace and understanding among people of all faiths, and it strongly prohibits all forms of violence and aggression against all people regardless of their faith or race.
When are Muslims Permitted to Fight a War?

As stated earlier, Islam is a very practical religion. It is not just about fake ideals that do not work. It is a religion that is meant to be implemented 100% in all actions of the Muslims life, and it is meant to promote peace and justice in the world.

Therefore, Islam does allow Muslims to go to war, as mentioned earlier, in certain circumstances. This includes self-defense, and to remove aggression and injustice that has befallen people and to save them from their oppressors. The verses that tell Muslims to fight those who fight them were mentioned earlier. Below is the verse in the holy Qur'an that allows Muslims to fight against injustice.
"Permission [to fight] is granted to those who are being persecuted, since injustice has befallen them, and God is certainly able to support them [with victory].
They were evicted from their homes unjustly, for no reason other than saying, "Our Lord is God." If it were not for God's supporting of some people against others, monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques - where the name of God is commemorated frequently - would have been destroyed. Absolutely, God supports those who support Him. God is Powerful, Almighty." (Surah 22, Verses 39-40).
This verse gives permission to those Muslims who fall under oppressive, unjust rule, and those Muslims who are being persecuted to fight to remove this oppression.



Does Islam Permit Killing Civilians?

Even in times of war, the Muslim must respect his adversaries? humanity. Brutal and barbaric atrocities are prohibited in Islam. Islam condemns barbaric killing of any human being. Therefore, Islam does not permit the mutilation of the bodies of the dead enemy soldiers.

Also, Islam prohibits the targeting and killing of all civilians, especially women, children, the elderly, and religious clergy. Enemies, even at time of war, must be treated justly. Prisoners of war have basic human rights, as stated in the Shariah (Islamic Law), and must be provided and cared for and not humiliated in any way.

The following verses touch on some of these issues:

"O Prophet! say to those who are captives in your hands: If Allah findeth any good in your hearts, He will give you something better than what has been taken from you, and He will forgive you: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (Surah 8, Verse 70).

And they feed, for the love of Allah, the indigent, the orphan, and the captive, (Saying), We feed you for the sake of Allah alone: no reward do we desire from you, nor thanks." (Surah 76, Verses 8-9).
In addition, the following were the instructions of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) to Muslims who are forced to fight a war:

"Do not kill women or children or non-combatants and do not kill old people or religious people,'' and he mentioned priests, nuns and rabbis. And he said, "Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees and do not poison the wells of your enemies."
There are many more sayings and teachings of Prophet Mohammad that instruct Muslims on these issues.

In addition to all this, Islam prohibits oppression, revenge or injustice to the people of the enemy in case of victory against them. Nor must there be control over the sources of the wealth of the nation or people, or even establishment of colonial regimes. Justice and freedom must be established. Tolerance towards cultures and peoples is to be respected at all times.

It is very sad that some people who want to give a wrong impression of Islam, simply select a few words from the Qur'an and distort them and put them in the wrong context, all in order to prove that Islam supports violence. They ignore all the verses we have mentioned in this article.

Therefore, we hope that people will be more careful about what they may hear or read on TV, radio, newspapers, magazines or on the internet. Make sure that you do not blindly believe anything that is being said. Try to get both sides of the story, by listening to all points of view on any issue before coming to a conclusion
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Old 01-13-2009, 11:15 AM
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True. Except Shia. But Muslims does not accept Bahai and Ahamadiya as Muslims
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:15 AM
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Salaams Mike,

I must be brief as I am pressed for time and other matters. Speaking for any "sect" the word "jihad" has many meanings. The greatest and moist supreme of all Jihad is keeping oneself in control emotionally, physically, and spiritually. This is known as "Jihad UL-Akbar" (the Great Jihad). Again, it would be too lengthy to elaborate in detail, but JA covers just about every aspect in life from social etiquette to relations with neighbors and family to obeying the laws of the land, being positive and cheerful in all situations, having total trust in the workings and laws of God which radiate in the universe and this world, not missing prayers of remembrance of God and those in need,, etc. It was said that Mohammad (pub) and a party of Muslims returned from a battle in DEFENSE of their land and they were in bad shape ? broken, bruised, and bleeding, hungry, tired. The Prophet said ?congratulations to my companions who risked their lives to defend our land, you have come back from the minor Jihad to the Jihad Akbar?? The companions were worried and confused. ?Oh Prophet of Allah, we are bleeding and bruised from a fierce fight, what can be a greater Jihad than this???? The Prophet (pub) replied, ?The fight within your heart?. Another time the Prophet (pub) said ?the strongest is not he who knocks over the toughest wrestler but who keeps himself calm and in control when angered?? Jihad means giving that little extra to make a huge difference. Again, small example is using the power of love to the greatest degree you possibly can, even if it hurts you. Remember, there is nothing extraordinary or unique about love. Even the wildest and bloodthirsty of animals show love for their young. Human beings display all types and levels of love. But let?s say when an enemy shows the greatest of hatred to you, but you return love instead! This is the true use of love as per MAN. This is JIHAD. Jesus (AS) once said, ?turn the other check? when slapped. Jesus too knew what JIHAD is, its purest and deepest most intricate meaning. Remember when Bruce Lee was asked by a total puny idiot in "Enter the Dragon" what was his best style of fighting. Bruce Lee replied "my style of fighting is not to fight" and the idiot starts to laugh. We all know Bruce Lee can slice the guy in half in like 2 seconds, but what an incredible answer and wisdom he showed. This is Jihad. It is this Jihad that many in the "Moslem" world seriously lack and must develop. On the contrary, the failing and pains the Moslem world is seeing today is due to total lack of JA. They will shout at the top of their voice when they hear some obscure cartoonist makes cartoons of the Prophet (pub), but will totally ignore hearing that some young Muslim girl was raped and killed in their own neighborhood. They'll bitch about Muslim women not being allowed to wear a Burka in France but close their eyes when told that Muslims comprise 1/3 of the world's poor and illiterate. Read what I just wrote above about Jihad, close your eyes for a minute, then immediately look at the so-called ?Moslem? world today. Do you see Jihad in them?

The Holy Koran gives a wide range of meaning for Jihad. Being patient in difficult times is Jihad, serving your parents in their old age is Jihad, doing GOOD to others is Jihad. FIGHTING in DEFENSE of religion or the oppressed and poor and weak is Jihad. Defending Churches, Synagogues, Temples and the worshippers within those buildings is JIHAD (yes, this is written in the Koran, would you like me to quote the verse??). If I saw a Church or synagogue or temple on fire or being attacked by gunmen (God forbid) I would put my life on the line to rescue the worshippers even if a day before I had just won the $50 million lottery. This is Jihad. If a fireman did the same to save Muslims in a burning Mosque, he?s just accomplished one of the highest Jihad?s a person can do even if her were an atheist! The Prophet (pbuh) once said ?there are many types of Jihad, the highest Jihad is one dedicating his entire life and works and every breath for the pleasure of God, the lowest Jihad is someone removing a stone from a pathway, clearing it so no one trips over it and gets hurt?? Remember though, as already inferred from the above examples of Jihad from Mohammad to Jesus, Jihad means the VOLUNTARY action of giving that little extra to make a difference. It shouldn?t be something we do by default. For example, a chronic smoker wants to save his kids, family, and friends from the effects of his smoking so he musters all his will power and the physical/emotional strength to stop smoking for good and everyday is a huge struggle ? that?s Jihad. But if he stops smoking out of default ? his doctor says he has early stages of lung cancer and if he stops smoking he?ll have a 98% chance of ridding the cancer ? that is NOT jihad. Jihad means struggling voluntarily against that which is hateful and harmful to you.
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