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Old 06-06-2010, 08:44 PM
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Default Why don't the extraordinary claims of Christianity make any sense?

For example, in order to be "saved" you have to believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and He came to earth to die for the sins of mankind and you have to believe that He died on the Cross and resurrected a couple of days later and that He will return again someday. If you don't believe this, you can't be a Christian.

Well, what sense does it make to sacrifice the innocent for the misdeeds of the guilty? Such an idea would never be entertained in today's judicial systems. Why? Because, it makes no sense.

But, this is the central tenet of Christianity. Belief in this is the key to eternal life in Heaven. And, what sense does that make? Why should a person who believes Christian dogma be entitled to "salvation" and eternal life in Heaven, when someone who doesn't believe it dies, or worse, goes to Hell?

And, what sense does it make for belief to trump behavior? If a dying man who lived a sinful life as he pleased in his final moments accepts Jesus as Lord and Savior, he's forgiven and given admittance into Heaven - without ever having bothered with any of the rules, except that one. What is fair and reasonable about that?

Of course, I know, it's not fair - it's a "gift" offered by "grace" and not contingent upon works (or, none of us would qualify) - then, why is it contingent upon belief?

But, even beyond that, what sense does it make for anyone to live forever? That is, after all, the Grand Prize, right? What will we do apart from the Will of God for all eternity? Do we lose our free will when we go to Heaven? What then differentiates us from God Himself?

And, what sense does God make? What sense does it make for an eternal being that was never created and will never not exist (?) to exist, anyway? Why is it needed? How could He ever come to truly realize His own potential, if He never ends? And, if He has already realized His potential, what next? Where does God go from being perfect and omnipotent? Does He then give it up and become sinful like us, because, He's already done the "good" thing? What else is there for God to do?

Well, that should be enough examples for you to address my question. So, why don't the extraordinary claims of Christianity make any sense?
Tuberoot posts, "Hebrews 2
14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death?that is, the devil? 15 and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. 16 For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham?s descendants. 17 For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. 18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted."

See? That's what I'm talking about. None of that made any sense. Why is that?
Susan writes, "God is God and you can't get away from it. Don't sweat the small stuff. "

This isn't the small stuff. This is the stuff your religion is made of. I'm talking about the centrally tenet of Christianity, here. I'm not quibbling over details. I'm arguing about the big picture.
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Old 06-08-2010, 08:44 PM
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maybe u dint want it to make sense
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Old 06-11-2010, 08:44 PM
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It's an escape from reality.
It doesn't make sense to people who are completely here, in reality.
But to the Christians who aren't happy with the life they've been given, they make up games about the afterlife to keep their own discomfort at bay.

To them it makes perfect sense.
To us it doesn't.
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Old 06-13-2010, 08:44 PM
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Umm... because President Obama is a Kenyan plotting to introduce a Sharia/Socialist-hybrid government and enslave us all to his overlords in FEMA internment camps?
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Old 06-16-2010, 08:44 PM
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That question has been answered, not only in the New Testament, but also typified in the Old Testament. God has been esoteric all along as I understand Him. But be encouraged, you can't learn everything in one day!

Hebrews 2
14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death?that is, the devil? 15 and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. 16 For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham?s descendants. 17 For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. 18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.
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Old 06-20-2010, 08:44 PM
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God is God and you can't get away from it. Don't sweat the small stuff. St. Augustine tried to understand the holy trinity all of his life. He got this answer, if you knew the number of every spec of sand and could live them out in years you still would not have enough time to understand the trinity. I think it goes like that. God lives through us this is how he can experience his creation, that is why we should not be afraid its like a game you can't lose.
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Old 06-22-2010, 08:44 PM
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As the Jewish creation parable so eloquently teaches, early humans had a choice between reality (tree of life) or mythology (fruit of good versus evil). We know that early humans made up stories to explain natural phenomenon and scared themselves into a perpetual delusion that still thwarts human progress to this day.

A delusion is an interesting thing. When you reject reality, parapsychologists have found, that the same region in the brain is activated as when you are dreaming. All the senses are activated. Though sanityTyay start as a nice dream, it soon enough becomes a nightmare.

A day will come when people will work themselves up into such a frenzy of fear that they will either choose to question their beliefs or die of fright. I wonder how many xtians who suddenly and 'peacefully' died chose to keep the faith.
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Old 06-27-2010, 08:44 PM
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The extraordinary claims of the socio/political movement called blind faith fundamentalism doesn't make any sense. They and not Christianity are the ones that say those absurd things.

They take Jesus's simple message of love and turn it into a massive legalistic game where saying the right combination of consonants and vowels ("iacceptjesuschristasmyownandpersonalsavior" or "iamsavedrepeatiamsaved") takes precedent over what Jesus said was His one and only command to us, "Love one another as I have loved you." It doesn't help that they look more to Paul, a Pharisee, than to Jesus for their spiritual guidance.

Jesus's death and our salvation is not about innocence and guilt, something fundamentalists can't understand. It's about God's incorruptible love for us and how corrupt men couldn't triumph over that love, not even with deceit and murder.

The idea that you have to say certain phrases or believe certain politically conservative tenets to be "saved" is ludicrous and it isn't Christianity.
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Old 07-02-2010, 08:44 PM
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Perhaps you might look at a simpler aspect. You have questions that your logic cannot answer. You seek a higher truth from human beings, who profess it in their interpretations of scripture, which in turn prompts you to ask even more questions.

Consider that your heart seeks the answers that no man's mind can provide. Consider that if any of these questions you ask were, in fact, answerable by human beings; then they would be readily available, by now. Yet the same questions have lingered for Milena. And human beings still struggle to provide them in ways that seem sensible to those, who are egocentrically bound to human reason.

Here, then, is another logical question:

How long will you continue to ask these questions, while expecting the answers to be provided by those who have historically pr oven themselves incapable?

When you ask the right person and diligently seek your answer from Him, you will begin the journey of a new reality across new dimensions, which transcend your human logic. And the answers to your questions will seem trivial in comparison to the truth that is revealed within you. This truth is already welling up within you and is evinced more by the questions of your heart, today, than by the answers your mind seeks, tomorrow. Seek first to discover that, with an equal measure of subjectivity.
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