I am not an atheist but am a man who, thanks to apotheosis, believes himself to have high morals. Perhaps even superior to women.
I will take the Jewish view of Eden as man’s elevation as opposed to the Christian view that Eden was man’s fall. I do this because the Jewish view was the initial view of their scriptures. I give their view more authority than I do to Christianity. That Jewish view was later reversed by Christianity. Why Christianity did this is not clear.
For this mental exercise, I say women are more moral than men. I take this view because teaching a topic is the best way to learn it, and that most of the child rearing/teaching in that day was done by women. Women then, teaching children their first morals, would also teach themselves morals faster than what men would.
I do not read scriptures literally but will use the literal view and my logic trail and progression through Eden as if I do.
Eve was first to eat of the tree of knowledge, and as scriptures states, became as God. That is, she developed the same moral sense as God. She then recognized that instead of leaving Adam to follow God’s instruction to not eat, she chose, with her new wisdom, to have Adam also eat of the tree of knowledge. Thus both were elevated to having a moral sense.
Is the Jewish view the correct one?
Who should lead mankind in religious and political thinking?
The story of Adam and Eve is right up there with Norse mythology. It is not the word of God, but a story made up to illustrate theories and ideas, and those ideas are REAL vague, and, I think, kind of rediculous. THe idea that knolwledge of right and wrong as the cause and root of all sin is rediculous, misleading and very dangerous. God wants us to be enlightened to the truth about what is right and what is wrong. It's called having WISDOM. In no way does acting out wisely evil.
The story of Adam and Eve is right up there with Norse mythology. It is not the word of God, but a story made up to illustrate theories and ideas, and those ideas are REAL vague, and
I agree completely.
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, I think, kind of rediculous.
I disagree. I think it shows wisdom, if interpreted correctly.
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THe idea that knolwledge of right and wrong as the cause and root of all sin is rediculous, misleading and very dangerous
Laws are dangerous to you are they?
I think they produce order.
How do we decide what our laws are to be?
Do we not take what we know as good and compare it to what we know as evil and base our laws on that knowledge?
Yes we do.
It then follows that knowledge of good and evil is the root of what we decide is evil by law.
Religiously speaking, that knowledge tells us what is sin.
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. God wants us to be enlightened to the truth about what is right and what is wrong. It's called having WISDOM. In no way does acting out wisely evil.
And to be wise, one must know good and evil.
Eve thus did the right thing in choosing to eat of the tree of knowledge.
That is likely why the Jews saw Eden as man's elevation.
Moses made oppressive laws. He was a tyrant. He made the law "thou shalt not kill" then later has a band of his thugs stone to death a man who picked up sticks on Moses' sabbath. He made a law that is a woman grabs the crotch of a man who is fighting with her husband to have her hand chopped off. He made it a capital crime te to preach any other version of God other than his. He told the Jews to not marry outside of their race in rememberance of Moses and his God. Moses's laws and Muhammad's laws are what causeing all the problems in the world. It's the laws of Moses that had Jesus killed, as the laws were antichrist in nature. Moses's "religion" was sadistic and evil.
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Moses made oppressive laws. He was a tyrant. He made the law "thou shalt not kill" then later has a band of his thugs stone to death a man who picked up sticks on Moses' sabbath. He made a law that is a woman grabs the crotch of a man who is fighting with her husband to have her hand chopped off. He made it a capital crime te to preach any other version of God other than his. He told the Jews to not marry outside of their race in rememberance of Moses and his God. Moses's laws and Muhammad's laws are what causeing all the problems in the world. It's the laws of Moses that had Jesus killed, as the laws were antichrist in nature. Moses's "religion" was sadistic and evil.
No argument from me about the immorality of the O T and the Abrahamic cults.
I have forgotten which Jewish Rabbi said it but he said any laws written before 1,000 ce should be scrapped.
Jesus, if he actually existed, I do not see as much of an improvement. Most of what he said was unworkable rhetoric. His let no man put asunder for divorce being a fatal flaw to his theology. In that law, Moses was actually better. Not for women of course but for men.
No argument from me about the immorality of the O T and the Abrahamic cults.
I have forgotten which Jewish Rabbi said it but he said any laws written before 1,000 ce should be scrapped.
Jesus, if he actually existed, I do not see as much of an improvement. Most of what he said was unworkable rhetoric. His let no man put asunder for divorce being a fatal flaw to his theology. In that law, Moses was actually better. Not for women of course but for men.
Jesus embodies the phylosophy of eternal life. If you were to absorb the deity of Christ on the cross, you can be spiritually reborn. Throughout a Christian's and Buddhists lifetime, they experience many different spiritual deaths and rebirths. It is the only path to knowing the secrets of the universe and God. What God has brought together, and intended to remain together should not be seperated. While any unjust or unGodly marriage SHOULD be torn apart.
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Who are more moral? Men or women?
