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Old 07-19-2010, 09:00 AM
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Default Paul admonishes Christians to be "likeminded" and "of one mind." Why isn't this a maj

Phillipians 2:2, by the way. And I don't think ecumenical ism qualifies; doctrinal unity and "getting along" are not the same.
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Old 07-22-2010, 09:00 AM
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Noone can know that.

Unfortunately, the Bible, reputedly given as the word to bring all persons to god & the Christ figure, tells us not to believe any human teaching us that it is the word, that it's god is the One True Creator God, that Jesus is part of God and came to Earth to die for our salvation, and that the Holy Spirit is part of its god and the part that will enter you to let you know the Bible is the Word and the Truth.

Read on.

We can't know a "god", and can neither prove nor disprove what the currently referenced Bibles tell us (Referring to the modern-day, Christian mainstream belief that the Old Testament and New Testaments, as interpreted and popularly bound, make up the Word for us to receive).

It's an impossible conundrum. To know Christ, or God's love is one thing. But, to learn it by introduction to, and understanding of the Word as an "In" is impossible. Questions aimed at deficiencies, conflicts and historic errors must be explained away by interpretation.

However, Jesus tells his readers, directly, not to follow charismatics, ritual or leaders of this earth. Everyone that is brought to Christ by witnesses or other humans faces a very real problem. Being brought to him, or introduced, means one has not met Christ and does not know his father or the Holy Spirit. The student then will be required to follow a teacher of this world.

Within his teachings, a True teacher would have to teach the student Jesus' direct warning about following worldly leaders/teachers. The student then cannot know whether his teacher is of this world (getting the fine details wrong and leading poor student astray), or from the right school of thought.

the student will need the Holy Spirit to enter him, so Christianity tells us, in order to understand the word. For any man can pick up the Bible and start putting together messages that serve his purpose by stringing passages together. Even well-meaning, but very misled persons can do this.

The student would have to come to know the Holy Spirit by following the worldly leader in order to accept the Holy Spirit and invite him into the student so that the student can know whether or not his teacher is a True teacher or one of this world.

Of course, a good student, and one who has never been brought to Christ, would have to put the mental brakes on when they get to the point in the lessons where they are taught not to follow worldly leaders and teachers. A good student will have to say to himself:
1. I'm being introduced to this alleged one, true, god by this person.

2. This person tells me that there is one, true, god who created us and everything and loves us and chooses us and gave us his Word to know him.

3. This person tells me that god's word is the Bible.

4. This person tells me that the Bible says that it is god's word.

5. This person tells me that the word is also Jesus as we know him through the Bible.

6. This person tells me that the word is truth.

7. This person tells me that I have to believe in Jesus, accept him as my lord and savior to be with god forever.

8. This person tells me that Jesus died for my sins, which otherwise separate me from god and had previously required priests to make various sacrifices to cleanse me to god.

9. This person tells that we all have sin and must have this relationship with Jesus, and live as he instructs, to be tight with god.

10. This person tells me that there is an entity called Satan, an anti-god, that exists to confuse me, lead me away from god and Jesus, and take me down the wrong, worldly path.

11. This person tells me Jesus demanded we not follow charismatics, worldly teachers or leaders, nor earthly ritual.

12. This person responds to my earnest question about confusing points of the Bible and his (my earthly teacher's) message by telling me I will know the word is the Word, and the Truth through the Holy Spirit.

13. This person tells me that to receive god's Truth and his Word as he intends it, I must invite the holy spirit into me.

14. This person tells me that I must accept what he is teaching me (One True God, Jesus our Saviour, Holy Spirit, and the Bible is God's True Word) so that I can believe in the Holy Spirit in order to invite him into me to know that the Bible is the True God's Word, and therefore know the True God and his Son our Saviour.

15. The good student would realize that Billions have been emotionally moved by various things when it comes to faith-based systems of "belonging" and surely a large number of them must be wrong even though the group membership feels so right.

16. The good student would realize that feeling alone cannot validate his earthly teacher's message that John Smith found alien plates in Ohio, or that an Indian Prince reached trancendance, or that Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon and the like made covenants with the one True God for their families and nations, or that a Christ Saviour came and upset that previous god-man relationship.


17.A good student would know that if feeling were enough that a Christ-Savior would never have given his warning about earnest Truth seekers following the wrong path by following man's words and ways. The Christ-Saviour would know that men would feel only the righ path.

18. A good student knowing this, and feeling strongly like something great has been brought to him, would be unable to accept it as anything more than a feeling because he could not, in good faith, accept the teachings of his man-teacher without knowing first that what his man-teacher is telling him is the One True Way and Word of the Only True God through his Christ-Saviour Son sent to settle our bills.

But, because all the student has is his earnestness, his emotions, and this man-teacher he's in an impossible connunndrum.

He would be following the teaching of man

(prior to having the Holy Spirit entering him to tell him the Truth, the student cannot know the lessons to be the Truth as opposed to the myriad lies and falsehoods spoken as the Truth - as warned of in the Bible - to mislead men)

Taking that man's Way as the Way.

Asking for that man's Holy Spirit to enter him so the student can then see "God's Word" as the Truth and the Way.

Even private study of the Bible leaves the earnest student in this situation because he would first have to accept it as the Word, when prior to the Holy Spirit entering him and showing that it is, it is only a human publishing rife with possible interpretations (I would point out Koresh, Jim Jones and the varied other charismatics that used the book itself and even put a copy in the hands of every follower they deceived).

He would have to believe it more likely that his emotions are the tools of a satan-entity he's just been introduced to, rather than a True God. It is satan who motivates, confuses, misleads, and takes by man's emotions, so he's taught.

No, he would have to wait for that experience that so few have had (Hagar and Abraham are two of the ONLY humans recorded to have met face to face with Jehovah and not some pass through entity like a dove, bush, angel, etc. that leaves the communication open for interpretation and satanic trickery - or so says the book that is offered as the Word).

We can't know the Word. We of a creator God if we can't come to him any way other than a "Word" that we cannot accept and cannot know. So, we cannot know of heaven or who the "In Crowd" for that cool club is going to be.

We do know man. His contrivances are great, if that's any help.
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Old 07-26-2010, 09:00 AM
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This is the teaching. He was saying we ARE one. This thread runs through all teaching, as does love, and some form of the Golden Rule. There is One Reality (God), One Mind, nothing else. No morbid deity to slap you down when you offend him out of your "ignorance" of the nature he stuck you with. We are one.
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Old 07-31-2010, 09:00 AM
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Jesus said, "a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand". Satan knows he said it and I'm sure he also knows that "Divide and conquer" is the first rule of war. Well, he's at war with God, so he does his best to divide God's troops. If we all got together for the soul purpose of worship ping and praising God then Satan would be in big trouble. So if he can keep us fighting with each other instead of being "like minded" and conquering him then he has less to worry about and a better chance of snagging some wayward souls. It isn't a major goal to some people because we have "become lovers of our selves more than lovers of God".
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Old 08-04-2010, 09:00 AM
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Yes, SCOT, Satan attacks believers; he has no need to concentrate on the worldly or evil - hey do his work on their own. All the denominations are man-made empires struggling for worldly success (more members, more donations, bigger buildings, and the top dog of each denomination wants a larger hierarchy to rule over). For the most part, the mainline denominations are already as lost as the Church of Laodicea in Revelation 3 - they do not follow the Way of the Messiah; they follow the traditions of man which were formalized when Constantine decreed that the Sabbath must be desecrated & the Pope made is Catholic doctrine because he claimed the power & authority to change God's Law.

The only time the church was in good shape was when Jesus explained everything to his disciples & apostles between His resurrection & His ascension. The Jewish Messiah lived a Torah-observant life as an example for His followers.

Since then men have had ~better ideas~ and have been making more law-changes than the Pharisees ever did. And we end up with today's Judeophobic heresy. And most people who want to be believers, think they are followers, are following the decrees of a pagan!
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Old 08-06-2010, 09:00 AM
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well, like said above I agree Satan is the main cause and besides sometimes its hard to distinguish between the real and fake Christians so again Satan uses that to deceive us
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Old 08-08-2010, 09:00 AM
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Strange. Many of the Christians I meet up with in this forum I am very life -minded with. Some need some education on some points of doctrine, others I need a little iron sharpening. The characters I am NOT of like mind with... well, I leave them to God.
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