How many gays out there have been turned off to Christianity? due to hate?
the writer removed this question, and i personally thought it was an awesome question, so I'm bringing it back, and making it open to everyone.
i am however asking for no trite answers., IE:we all know God loves the sinner hates the sin etc etc...(i am a straight Christian woman)
i just truly want some brains on this one.
I think that would depend on the upbringing of the certain individual... Here in the PHilippines, the only catholic dominated country in southeast Asia, there are lots of gays who still believe and go to church. Though there may seem be a discrimination or whatever you call it on them for some people, they still dint give a damn as long as they dint step on someone Else's toes.
I'm homosexual and I can't say that I have been turned off to Christianity, just turned off to the people who says some of the things. I think the "message" of Christianity (love everyone, treat people as you want to be treated lad lad) does not hate homosexuals, its the people in the church who after all only human and do have human opinions to certain types of people. At the end of the day no matter what the Pope or any of the others say, we have to wait to we die to find out what God (if their is one) thinks.
it is because of change. People don't like change. Being gay is considered really blasphemous by a lot of Christians. When new changes come , people cannot accept it very soon. For example , in the 1920s In Tennessee there was this famous court trail called the Scopes Monkey Trial .This was over the concept of evolution . It was illegal in the state to teach about evolution because it went against the bible . Scopes, a school teacher taught it anyways and was thus prosecuted. He was found guilty<-This only partially relates to your Question..I'm not gay , so i cant personally answer this question. but.. i think people have to get used to a new thing for a while before accepting it . Maybe a decade or two from now , No one will be prejudiced against them and they Will be accepted in every Christian community.
For me personally, this is not a question that I can answer yes or no to. I like to think I know enough about Christianity to realize that the term includes people with a wide range of philosophies. I have a few gay friends that have continued to maintain Christianity as an important part of their lives, but the majority have rejected it completely because of the hatred that seems to be dished out so frequently in the name of the religion. I don't reject the idea of looking at the world the way Christ did and trying to live ones life by his example. The reality is, however, that many Christians seem to me to miss that concept completely and use the Bible more as a means to justify their own ignorance and hatred. This I reject. I get very frustrated when people use religion as an excuse to turn off their brains, and see the world as black and white with blinders on, believing that they have all the answers.
Below is a ranting answer I wrote to another question, that I hope gives you some insight into my experience, and likely others like me.
I am gay. I was a good little Christian boy, that didn't even know that boys could be attracted to other boys when I began to have feelings for them. The farther I got into puberty the clearer it became that I had an attraction to males and felt nothing for females. It was the worst thing I can imagine ever going through. I hated myself because I thought God was going to hate me for the way I was feeling. For years I would cry myself to sleep after begging Jesus to help me change. I would have done anything to change. I just got more and more depressed and started to think about suicide all the time. All day every day I would worry about how I acted, because I didn't want to do something that might seem "gay". I convinced myself that I was just going through a phase, because despite my feelings, I didn't think I could possibly be one of those fags that everyone seemed to hate so much. Then when I was 16 and just didn't think I could go on living with the pain , fear and sadness anymore i had a realization that saved my life. I realized that if God knows every thing and he knows what's in my thoughts and in my heart then he knows I didn't choose this, and he has known how sincerely I wanted to be "normal". He knows that to me this felt normal. He is the one I have to answer to and no one else, and I don't have to worry that he will think I brought this on myself.
I cant think of a single reason why a person would decide to be gay. Our society makes it so hard to be accepted and to live a normal life, that for it to be a choice makes no sense at all. I don't know if its genetic, or something that happens during development, or what exactly is the cause, but if there is anything I know it's that certainly for me, and the great majority of gay people in the world, IT IS NOT A CHOICE AND CANNOT BE CHANGED!
Time and time and time again I hear these self proclaimed "Good Christians" preach about sin, and turning to Jesus to repent, and quoting from Leviticus, insisting that it's a choice, and it just sickens and infuriates me.
Have you read Leviticus? The whole thing I mean. Not just the part about men lying with men, but the pages and pages about animal sacrifices, the parts about what clothes to wear, and what foods to eat, and everything else. No Christian lives by Leviticus anymore, but when it serves their purpose they will pick out parts to impose on others to live by. If homosexuality is such an unacceptable thing, such an abomination, then why is there nothing in the Bible about the subject that comes from Jesus himself? If all sins are equal in the eyes of God, and we're all sinners, then why is the sin of homosexuality so much MORE equal to "loving" Christians today?
People may as well accept that we cannot change, we will not change. Just worry about yourselves,and let us worry about the fate of our own souls.
As a straight atheist, I'm not sure that I'm entirely qualified to answer the root of this question.
However, I will say that one of the things that turns me off about Christianity, specifically, is the intolerance exhibited towards gay people. I think that most Christians preach "love, love, love," but only on their terms. I don't think that there should be limits set on love.
To say that a lifestyle is "an abomination" is one thing, but I think each individual needs to ask why they feel that way. If it's simply because that's what it says in an ancient book, I have a hard time accepting that as an answer, especially when the book is contradictory on many other things.
I don't believe that anyone is born with hate in their heart. They have to learn it somewhere. People generally learn it from their parents, but often it is reinforced in church. I know, I know, "love the sinner, hate the sin," but hearing that over and over again doesn't change the fact that many people are really openly hostile to homosexuals.
Granted, I don't believe in "sin," per-SE, so it's hard to mesh my brain with the ideas put forth here. Either way, I don't feel that intolerance is ever the answer, especially when it comes down to "what" a person is. Despite what people of faith say, I don't think that being gay is a choice. I certainly don't remember the day I was given the choice to be straight. Do you?
One of my best friends is lesbian. She left Christianity for a while, and I know part of the reason was the intolerant attitude. Can't say I blame her though. Who would want to fill the collection plate in a place where they say you're going to hell. After a five or six year absence she now attends occasional services at a Unitarian church.
Doesn't the Bible teach that homosexuality is a sin? therefore hate! What i mean is that people take the bible as the verbatim word of God, however it was written by man, and man is full of opinions and biases. and as a result they don't see homosexuals as being human like them, but as sinners, just like the Buddhist, Mormons or the atheist are considered sinners....when in fact we don't necessarily know who is right.