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Old 10-29-2008, 04:58 AM
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Default Why do Eastern Orthodox and Western Churches disagree on whether the Bible is Pro-Zio

I'm from a Palestinian heritage but I live in Syria because we were robbed off everything by the Zionist movement..

My Church and all the Middle Eastern Churches not just in Arab countries but in the world are Anti-Zionist.

Are "some" Western Churches Pro-Zionist because it is a race thing and they sympathize more with the whites while Middle Eastern Churches sympathize more with the browns?
James obviously you do not know that fact says there are 5 dead Palestinians for every 1 dead Israeli, most of the time the Israeli is an occupation soldier and a violent evil one.
And Hammas started firing rockets only 20 years ago after 40 years of Israelis persecuting against the Christian and Muslim minorities.

Hammas rockets don't even kill anyone by the way -.- They don't get funded billions by the US, their rockets are the size of a pencil.
The Red Lady, the Mid-East can also destroy Israel and wipe them off but they don't, not everything is solved with "We can wipe you all off, so give us this land and leave" -.-
I do believe Jews should have the right to live just like Christians and Muslims in the Middle East, but without creating the state of Israel, they need to live under Palestine in peace with the Christians and Muslims just like they lived a century ago.

If they can't do that, it is their problem. The West promised Palestine for the Palestinians if they overthrew the Ottoman Empire, so Palestine will remain Palestine. There is no such thing as Israel.
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Old 10-30-2008, 04:58 AM
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Almost any "disagreement" concerning "religion" can be traced to three origins... Ego, Pride, Greed
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Old 11-02-2008, 03:58 AM
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No, according to their interpretation Israel was predicted in the Bible. I believe this interpretation was influenced by the European priests' discontent with the result of the Crusades. They now support anyone but the ones they have long been fighting, Muslims.
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Old 11-07-2008, 03:58 AM
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I can't comment on other lands, but in the USA, almost all of us have good friends who are of the Jewish faith. Many of these people want to have a homeland in Israel where Jews can live in relative safety.
There is some sympathy for Palestinians, but in general, we know few if any Palestinians, and we know many Jews, so it's obvious that we're going to be sympathetic to our friends' concerns.

We have a situation where a lot of Palestinians have not any chance of having a peaceful existence, and the tendency is to blame the Jews. Facts can be uncomfortable however, and the fact is that the Jews have done almost everything they have done as a measured response to the atrocities perpetrated by Arabs.

Arab lands cover millions and millions of square miles. All of Israel consists of a piece of land that is almost invisible on the map.

My common sense tells me that it is a lot easier for those Palestinians to go somewhere else in that vast area than to just sit for fifty years in some camps. I blame the Arabs as much as the murderous Palestinians who keep setting off bombs and firing rockets.

If the Arab folks stopped firing rockets, there's be peace tomorrow, but they won't do it. The heck with them all.
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Old 11-11-2008, 03:58 AM
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Well dash you are anti Zionist. The basis of your conflict is not about religion, that's just the banner they wrap around their perspective to justify the hideous things they do with one another.

I am sorry, I have never sat through a pro-Zionist sermon in any Church..imagine this incredible thought, I go to church to get closer to God!!! Not talk about the MIdeast conflict. But yes some of it has to do with race...you clearly state the obvious.
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Old 11-15-2008, 03:58 AM
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If the Israelis wanted to get rid of Palestinians, they would simply just get on with it. However, the real truth is they are waiting for the Arabs to cut the crap and get on with a sincere commitment to have peace. You are anti-Israel because you don't feel Jews should have a right to live, your thinking is not rational thought based on facts, it is based on emotion. When you stop making excuses for the behavior of your own people then this is when you will see how things truly are.

Edit: I see, so you think that there's only peace if Arabs control it? You mean, back to the way it was when Jews were forbidden to visit the Western Wall? How nice of you.
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Old 11-18-2008, 03:58 AM
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Yes I do think it has to do with race.

Most Asians, Africans, and Middle Easterners whether of any religion, Buddhism, Islam, or Christianity sympathize more with the Browns.

I'm Hispanic and I sympathize more with the browns.. Not necessarily because of race but because what Israel does to them and the way it treats them is inhumane. Just look what they are doing to poor Palestinians in Gaza..
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The Palestinian Jews never complained or said anything. It was the Westerners that broke their promise because they felt guilty against Jews.

Why do the Arabs have to suffer because of what Europe did to the Jews? Why do the Palestinians have to experience the same treatment that Europe gave to the Jews?

I respect the Eastern Christians for standing with the Muslim & Christian Palestinian minority, the poor people are under a lot of persecution and pressure..
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Old 11-23-2008, 03:58 AM
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I read a book from back in the 40's when Israel was being established. the Jews had been trickling in for about the last 90 years and had a foot hold in Tel Av iv.It sounded like part of the reason that the American delegation supported Israel was economic, the Jews seamed to have more knowledge and determination on how to develop the land. The bible changes its view on Israel depending on the behavior of the people so it can be interpreted in different ways. Personally I don't think its a racial issue, but that's an interesting thought.

By the way, is that your real pic,cute!
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Old 11-24-2008, 03:58 AM
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1) Why do Eastern Orthodox and Western Churches disagree on whether the Bible is Pro-Zionist or Anti-Zionist?

I have no idea.


2) My Church and all the Middle Eastern Churches not just in Arab countries but in the world are Anti-Zionist.

I cannot believe that this is true. Many Middle-eastern churches accept the pope as their head, and the pope is quite accepting of Judaism and Israel. Don't believe me? Check out these very large population churches:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Catholic_Churches


3) Are "some" Western Churches Pro-Zionist because it is a race thing and they sympathize more with the whites while Middle Eastern Churches sympathize more with the browns?

I don't think so. In my experience, this is wholly reflective of the bible itself, which says that the Mosaic covenant is an everlasting covenant, which says that the Jews are the chosen people of God, which assures the Jews that they will be returned to their land in "the Lord's Day", and who believe Revelation when it says that the temple of Jerusalem will be desecrated by the Beast. The return of the Jews to the Promised Land figures largely in Christian Scripture.


4) Hammas rockets don't even kill anyone by the way

Yikes! Better check that one out again....I respect the opinion shown in most of these statements, but this one simply isn't accurate.


5) The Red Lady, the Mid-East can also destroy Israel and wipe them off but they don't

Umm, just wondering - haven't they already tried this (twice) and failed? What makes you think that they can do it now, when Israel has nuclear weaponry? Israel has never been in a safer position, militarily, than now - and the last two times the "Mid East" tried to destroy Israel - occasions in which the "Mid East" had a much greater advantage than now - they failed.


6) If they can't do that, it is their problem.

Well, they seem to be handling the problem fairly successfully. Indeed, they've managed to put themselves into a position where they don't even have to liver under Palestine. I'd say that, rather than having to deal with your hypothetical problem, they've succeeded in overcoming it with an almost extravagant degree of success.


7) The West promised Palestine for the Palestinians if they overthrew the Ottoman Empire, so Palestine will remain Palestine.

Well, be specific. I, for example, made no such promise. *Who* made that promise, who, *specifically*, did they represent when they made that promise, and where is the evidence? "The West" is not a single nation, nor has "The West" made any promises in the last 100 years, as far as I know.


8) There is no such thing as Israel.

Well, you can ignore it if you like - but it most definitely exists.


Jim, http://www.bible-reviews.com
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