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Old 09-22-2008, 02:29 PM
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Default Why was Gnosticism removed from the bible?! It explains why the gods from the two tes

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I dunno, word on the street is that gnostic scriptures were originally included in the mesh of scriptures but were decidedly removed.
R Ross, that's an interesting answer but I can't make sense of it. Too sacred to record? Roman catholics were offended by the idea that writings should be hi dded, so they hid writings? I'm probably misunderstanding something.
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Old 09-26-2008, 02:29 PM
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Because gnosticism is much closer to the truth, it was never removed from the bible, the entire bible is gnostic/pagan in nature.. the church just gave false interpretations of most of the stories that people are still believing to this day.

Gnosticism in a nutshell... Bad Jesus version...

The Gnostics knew that the god of the old testament was just an evil sadistic tyrannical authority figure that claimed he created the world, and controlled the sun, weather, and natural disasters.

The only way you could escape this evil "Lord" or "King" was through nosies or knowledge... which they attained by eating the forbidden fruit, the forbidden mushroom, the apples of Apollo, the manna from heaven, the bread of life, which gave them the fire of Prometheus, the light of Lucifer.... which is Jesus which was a drug, a "spirit." ha ha

I've got the key to the high way... sex, drugs, and rock n roll... lets party!!!!
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Old 10-01-2008, 02:29 PM
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Because it isn't true?
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Old 10-06-2008, 02:29 PM
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Because books written by them are spurious in apostle authority.
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Old 10-07-2008, 02:29 PM
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It was never part of the Bible, so it wasn't removed from anything. And the "gods" of the two testaments are not different.
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Old 10-12-2008, 02:29 PM
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To err is human, forgive is divine. Human wrote it and God forgives them.
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Old 10-14-2008, 02:29 PM
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The New Testament was written by 70 AD. The Gnostic writings did not begin until around 200 AD, and were not written by the followers of Jesus.
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Old 10-17-2008, 02:29 PM
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Because...

1. In wasn't in the Bible to begin with

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2. One of the reasons it wasn't in the Bible is because it didn't represent God's truth that He had already revealed to humanity.

Malachi 3:6 "For I am the LORD, I do not change;

Revelation 19:11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself.

13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.

15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the wine press of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
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Old 10-22-2008, 02:29 PM
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The triple Gods on both testaments are the ideas of some clever clergy-people from way back before CNN ever existed...
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Old 10-26-2008, 02:29 PM
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A) Gnosticism's writings were never included in the Bible by the Church when it codified the contents of Scripture. These were written after the last of the Apostles had died. And being written by or dictated by an Apostle was the primary criterion for inclusion into Scripture.

B) Gnosticism's explanations were viewed by most intelligent people of that day as so much hooey. Just because they didn't have IBM or Microsoft didn't mean they were dummies.

C) It is the perception of God that makes for the seeming differences between the idea of God as presented in the Old Testament and in the New, NOT the idea of there being two co-equal deities. That would be neither Judaism nor Christianity, but Zoroastrianism.
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Old 10-30-2008, 02:29 PM
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You are one of those who are keenly researching to find whether there is any way to deject the existence of God. Devils tries his best and he is successful to woo many away from God; But the Scriptures say that there will not be many, but a chosen race only who will remain to access to the kingdom of heaven. Do not waste your lifetime listening to the apostles of Devil.
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Old 11-04-2008, 01:29 PM
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Because it isn't true. Fact is that the God who existed before the beginning of time is the same God who lead the Israelites out of Egypt, who's the same God that protected Daniel in the den of lions, the same God who sent His son Jesus to die for US, the same God who has spoken to us through the Old and New Testaments, the same God who sent his Holy Spirit to us, the same God who is with us today, thousands of years after the creation of the earth, and the same God that will exist for all eternity. I guess that's it in a nutshell!!! Hope you find the answers you're looking for.
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Old 11-09-2008, 01:29 PM
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Gnosticism is not Christianity (I'm neither by the way). Gnosticism is a separate religion which does have some connections with Christianity, but is not Christianity itself.
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Old 11-14-2008, 01:29 PM
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I like this question.

I think...There are other explanations for the differences, too.

Different Christians definitely find different ways to reconcile the two Gods.

The one I've heard most often that you're probably familiar with too is that the God of the OT is his "judge" side, laying down the law, and after he's established that, he shows his softer side in the NT. There's a parent-child analogy that's used with that a lot.

But my favorite might be held by Christian mystics.

Jews (and Christians, etc.) see their God as infinite and all-powerful, etc....But who can relate to/connect with that God who is so inhuman?

So in the Torah or OT he's irrational, compassionate, angry, sorrowful, vengeful, and loving: a reflection of humanity.

And then there's God in the NT.

I think there are some similarities between the two (Jesus totally made that fig tree wither up 'cause he was in a bad mood/pissed--Lil, just kidding, I have no idea), but the tone is completely different for sure. (Of course each was also written at a different time by a different people.)

Is the NT God a higher example? The greatest potential of human beings (love, caring, compassion, etc.)?

You can definitely decide.



Further, there's the idea of the duality of God (and life, the world, etc.) that shows up in a lot of religions. Check them out!
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Old 11-18-2008, 01:29 PM
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Their are two main gnostic traditions. There are the early Jewish Gnostic's, and there are the later gentile Gnostic's. A gnostic is someone who believes in the hidden teachings of Christianity. There is no question at all that the early Christians had beliefs and ordinances which were considered too sacred to record in their canon of scripture. The early church fathers talked about it and sometimes puzzled over it, but the knowledge of these mysteries had already been lost. The Roman influence was the final nail in the coffin of the mysteries - they were offended that any doctrine or ordinance should be kept hidden, and banned any book that alluded to them.
Yes - the actual teachings and the methodologies of the ordinances were never written down, although they were alluded to, as in the footnote below. This is the general rule - I have seen bits and pieces put to paper, but without indication of their source; unless someone already knew about the mysteries, they would not recognize them as such.
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Old 11-22-2008, 01:29 PM
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It wasn't. John 1:1 -- "In the beginning was the Word..." Word (Logos) is a key Gnostic concept. The Testaments are so different because of the introduction of Greek philosophy into Judea.
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