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Old 04-07-2009, 03:25 PM
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Default Gnosticism, Theism, atheism?

Hey Guys I need a little help with This.
OK can you tell me if this is correct or not.

agnostic-atheist: One who doesn't believe in God and Lacks the knowledge to determine that there is 100% no God.

Gnostic-Atheist: One Who doesn't believe in a God and has the knowledge to determine that there is 100% No God.

Agnostic-theist: One who believes in a God but lacks the knowledge to determine there is a God with 100% certainty.

Gnostic-theist: One Who believes in a God But has the Knowledge to determine that there is a God with 100% Certainty.

Agnostic: Lacks knowledge
Gnostic: Has Knowledge
And can you really define Fence-sitters as Agnostics since they lack the knowledge to believe or not believe that there is a God?

Also can you tell me what you are From the Above list.
Thanks and Have a Nice day =D
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Old 04-09-2009, 03:25 PM
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Your definitions are not exactly accurate.

Atheism is the lack of belief in a deity.

Theists often assume atheism to be a "belief". And therefore they claim that atheism is a belief system that also requires "faith" (to believe there is no god). This is an erroneous characterization. A "lack of belief" is not a "world view"; it presupposes no rules, doctrine or dogma. It's merely a lack of belief in a god. Do you believe in the non-existence of Santa Claus? Would you call yourself an anti-tooth-Fayina? Is ones' identity or world-view tied to what they don't believe in?

Here is the origin of the word atheist/atheism:

"Atheism", from the Greek:

* atheism's : noun, from
* a- : lacking, without, or not having something; akin to the English suffix "-less"
* Theo's : a god, deity, mighty magic entity
* -is mos : a state, quality, or condition; an "-ism"

Therefore, "atheism" is "the state, quality, or condition of being without a god or deity". "Atheos" would literally mean "godless", and "atheism's" ("atheism") would literally mean "godlessness".

Notice that the prefix "a-" does not mean "not" or "against". It's a common mistake to think so. That would require the use of the Greek prefix "anti-", such as in the term Antichrists ("Antichrist").

Now, let's change that suffix. "Atheist", from the Greek:

* atheists : noun, from atheism's +
* -Estes : one who supports, subscribes to, or performs something

An "atheist", then, would be "a person who supports or subscribes to a godless state, quality, or condition".

This does not necessarily mean that atheists positively believe that there is no god. It simply means that they advocate a lifestyle that is devoid of one. They live their lives as if there were no god.

Atheism can be further broken down into the following sub-categories:

* Weak Atheist - lacks a belief in god or gods, and acknowledges that it is presumptuous to say for sure there is no god, although in the absence of any evidence, contends it is unlikely and not worthy of consideration

99% of most atheists are the "weak" variety, even though most theists' idea of atheism is something different:

* Strong Atheist - believes that there is no God; some argue this position, which is uncommon among atheists, is as equally presumptuous as claiming there is a god (It is accepted that it's virtually impossible to prove a negative, that something does not exist)

A typical atheist may be strong towards a specific deity such as Jesus, claiming that they are confident the Christian god does not exist. Likewise a Christian may be a strong atheist towards the Hindu gods.

Furthermore, agnosticism can be considered a subset of atheism. Mainstream media and many people will rarely make note of this because many choose to use the term agnostic to describe their lack of belief due to the negative connotations the media associates with the term atheist, but technically agnostics are atheists: You don't typically believe in something you are not sure exists! For the sake of argument, some people will note it is possible to believe in something who's existence can or will never be known, but such a position could be clinically diagnosed as a symptom of mental retardation when the scenario doesn't involve something as politically-correct as mainstream religion.

Agnosticism can also be broken down into:

* Strong Agnostic [atheist] - claims that one can never know whether or not there is a god, or according to Richard Dawkins, they are permanent agnostics in principle (PAP), believing that the existence of a god is unknowable.

* Weak Agnostic [atheist] - accepts the idea that there may or may not be a god (in other words, "I don't know, and neither do you.") They believe that the existence or non-existence of god is knowable, but that we do not yet know. Richard Dawkins calls these people Temporary Agnostics in Practice (TAP).

* There are some that claim you can be an "agnostic theist", implying someone believes in gods but recognizes that the knowledge of gods' existence may or will never be known. While this is technically true, we are unaware of any practical use of such a term, as the generic definition of [deist] seems to fit that bill. The most common use of agnostic is in an atheistic sense; any theistic use of the term is usually for the purposes of argumentation and rarely represents anyone's particular philosophical view.
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Old 04-13-2009, 03:25 PM
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Gnosticism doesn't exist, theism doesn't exist, atheism doesn't exist, I don't exist, you don't exist, nothing exists.
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Old 04-14-2009, 03:25 PM
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This chart explains it perfectly.

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6595/chartw.png

How about looking at the chart before thumbing it down people?

You are correct on all points, by the way I am an agnostic atheist.

I choose to describe myself as an atheist for short because:

A) It annoys the fun dies more.
B) It removes this idea of me secretly be living in god.

I give Santa and god the same probability of existing, but describing myself as agnostic usually leads to confusion, if I tell someone that I am agnostic they usually leap on it, thinking they can convert me!
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Old 04-15-2009, 03:25 PM
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yeah but this 100% certainty is for the birds
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Old 04-20-2009, 03:25 PM
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Seems right but incomplete.

I'm simple Agnostic, ID what to believe about the existence of Gods, but for a member of an Abrahamic religion I'd be an Ag-Atheist since I don't care for their bearded psychos that much.
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Old 04-24-2009, 03:25 PM
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No one "has the Knowledge to determine that there is a God with 100% Certainty" just the same as no one "has the knowledge to determine that there is 100% No God".
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Old 04-28-2009, 03:25 PM
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Not quite.

Agnostic - believes that one can't know.
Gnostic - believes that one can.

It's not that one has knowledge that the other lacks, it's more a belief about what is possible to know.
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