I'm a gnostic atheist. We have to draw the line between when we know and when we don't know. I can say with 99.9% certainty that I know gods don't exist. That 0.01% is waiting for evidence to prove me wrong, but I suspect I'll be waiting till my death.
As for Buddhism? *shrugs.* I'm mostly concerned with the threatening forms of religion, which would be the extremist AbrahamICCeligions in the united states that dare remove freedoms from my fellow countrymen.
Ananda sat at the Buddha?s side and argued on behalf of the ordination of women. The Buddha continued to refuse the request. Finally, Ananda asked if there was any reason women could not realize enlightenment and enter Nirvana as well as men.
The Buddha admitted there was no reason a woman could not be enlightened. "Women, Ananda, having gone forth are able to realize the fruit of stream-attainment or the fruit of once-returning or the fruit of non-returning or friendship," he said.
Ananda had made his point, and the Buddha relented. Pajapati and her 500 followers would be the first Buddhist nuns. But he predicted that allowing women into the Sangha would cause his teachings to survive only half as long ? 500 years instead of a 1,000.
Unequal Rules
Further, according to the canonical texts, before the Buddha allowed Pajapati into the Sangha, she had to agree to eight Garudhammas, or grave rules, not required of men. These are:
The Eight Heavy Duties are:
1. A nun, even if she has been ordained for 100 years, must respect, greet and bow in reverence to the feet of a monk, even if he has just been ordained that day. (Monks pay respect to each other according to their seniority, or the number of years they have been ordained.)
2. A nun is not to stay in a residence where there is no monk. (A monk may take an independent residence.)
3. A nun is to look forward to two duties: asking for the fortnightly Uposatha (meeting day), and receiving instructions by a monk every fortnight. (Monks do not depend on nuns for this obligatory rite, nor are they required to receive any instruction.)
4. A nun who has completed her rains-retreat must offer herself for instruction to both the community of monks and to the community of nuns, based on what is seen, what is heard and what is doubted. (Monks only offer themselves to the community of monks.)
5. A nun who is put on probation for violating a monastic rule of Sanghadisesa must serve a 15-day minimum probation, with reinstatement requiring approval from both the monk and nun communities. (The minimum for monks is a five-day probation with no approval by the nuns required for reinstatement.)
6. A woman must be ordained by both monks and nuns and may be ordained only after a two-year postulancy, or training in six precepts. (Men have no mandatory postulancy and their ordination is performed by monks only.)
7. A nun may not reprimand a monk. (A monk may reprimand a monk, and any monk may reprimand a nun.)
8. From today onwards, no nun shall ever teach a monk. However, monks may teach nuns. (There are no restrictions on whom a monk may teach.)
Nuns also have more rules to follow than monks. The Vinaya-pitaka lists about 250 rules for monks and 348 rules for nuns.
Historical Buddha, Misogynist?
The Rev. Patti Nakai of the Buddhist Temple of Chicago tells the story of the Buddha?s stepmother and aunt, Prajapati. According to the Rev. Nakai, when Pajapati asked to join the Sangha and become a disciple, ?Shakamuni's response was a declaration of the mental inferiority of women, saying they lacked the capacity to understand and practice the teachings of non-attachment to self.? This is a version of the story I haven?t found elsewhere.
The Rev. Nakai goes on to argue that the historical Buddha was, after all, a man of his time, and would have been conditioned to see women as inferior. However, Pajapati and the other nuns succeeded in breaking down the Buddha?s misunderstanding.
During his lifetime, the historical Buddha was plagued by a chronic misogyny; of this, in the face of numerous documents, there can not be slightest doubt. His woman-scorning sayings are disrespectful, caustic and wounding. ?One would sooner chat with demons and murderers with drawn swords, sooner touch poisonous snakes even when their bite is deadly, than chat with a woman alone?, he preached to his disciples, or even more aggressively, ?It were better, simpleton, that your sex enter the mouth of a poisonous snake than that it enter a woman. It were better, simpleton, that your sex enter an oven than that it enter a woman?. Enlightenment and intimate contact with a woman were not compatible for the Buddha. ?But the danger of the shark, ye monks, is a characteristic of woman?, he warned his followers. At another point, with abhorrence he composed the following:
"Those are not wise
Act like animals
Racing toward female forms
Like hogs toward mud
Because of their ignorance
They re bewildered by women, who
Like profit seekers in the marketplace
Deceive those who come near"
Buddha?s favorite disciple, Ananda, more than once tried to put to his Teacher the explicit desire by women for their own spiritual experience, but the Master?s answers were mostly negative. Ananda was much confused by this refractoriness, indeed it contradicted the stated view of his Master that all forms of life, even insects, could achieve Buddhahood. ?Lord, how should we behave towards women??, he asked the Sublimity ? ?Not look at them!? ? ?But what if we must look at them?? ? ?Not speak to them? ? ?But what if we must speak to them?? ? ?Keep wide awake!?
This disparaging attitude toward everything female is all the more astounding in that the historical Buddha was helped by women at decisive moments along his spiritual journey: following an almost fatal ascetic exercise his life was saved by a girl with a saucer of milk, who taught him through this gesture that the middle way between abstinence and joie de vivre was the right path to enlightenment, not the dead end of asceticism as preached by the Indian yogis. And again it was women, rich lay women, who supported his religious order (sangha) with generous donations, thereby making possible the rapid spread of his teachings.
i personally don't believe in any religion, but i think that Buddhist people are very committed to their religion. I have very high respect Buddhist people. i don't know much about gnosticism, sorry.
Don't know what gnosticism is but I think the teachings of Buddhism are insightful and very useful as rules to live by. They're not moral, they advocate more thought regarding difficult situations and ways to prevent stress and irrational anger. It makes an awful lot of sense and as a completely UN-spiritual person, the ideas behind the teachings truly helped me through difficult times.
Edit: confused about the thumbing down. I don't really believe in karma or reincarnation and all that but I do think the ideas from drama can have a place helping people today. What the hell's wrong with that?!!
Haven't ever had a Buddhist or gnostic knock on my door on a Saturday morning trying to convert me.
Never seen a Buddhist or a gnostic trying to teach their beliefs as facts in public schools.
Can't recall Buddhists or Gnostic's protesting gay marriage carrying signs that say "Buddha hates fa?s!" or anything similar.
So, they're OK with me.
On the other hand, they still firmly believe things for which there is no evidence...
Atheists: What are your views on Gnosticism and/or Buddhism?
