Christians: what does this verse mean? And is it an example of Gnosticism?

Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcomeThill I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

It seems to be only a name.

No, just an example of apocalyptic literature.

What it means? In simple terms, "good things to those who persevere." This same basic message is repeated in several of the "letters to the churches" in Revelation.

i think it is meant that "the message" was meant for all the churches - for every individual to receive, each as they see fit.


in ancient times, a white stone was given to someone who was being judged as a sign of absolution. hence, a white stone signifies innocence.

perhaps it is a way of saying that how you seek to find spirituality is your own path. whatever god there is, you have to find it in your own way.

To those that listen to god; I will help him erase his bad deeds and help him start a new life where nobody knows how except himself I think. It seems to probably be a example of gnosticism although not completely

Sounds similar to the reference to the "Water Bearer" that Jesus talks about. The Water Bearer will lead you to salvation.

I think this verse is mostly talking about Jesus veer 2.0 disguised under a new name and ready to completely change mans view of religion all over again.

If you love God and search, you will have an ear to hear what is said unto the churches, if you overcome the sinful world, you will receive the gift that God has to offer you, there will be a new heaven and a new earth, the dead in Christ will rise and the living will be change, you will receive a new name.

Gnostics?


what is wrong with straight talk?

God in this verse is saying " Overcome"

To understand the whole of this verse, you must indeed look at the context, and ac certain what it is that God wants You to overcome.

Can you translate this to English please ?

The person who overcomes by faith amidst terrible circumstances will receive hidden manna to eat. The hidden manna,white stone,and new name are all prospective rewards for faithfulness to God.This is not gnosticism.

In another place, it says He will write his name on our foreheads...maybe something like "Life Forever"...

We really won't know until it happens, so we can only imagine...

Honestly do not think it is gnosticism, although the secret knowledge angle is somewhat interesting...