As more and more scientific discoveries find itself compatible to the verses found in

are we seeing atheists and believers dancing together on the same tune, not now, but in the future?
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Hi info hog,

Maybe you are right. Would something like "May the force be with you" rings the bell?

hm mm. well the problem so far is that scientific discoveries thus far (evolution) isn't compatible with wither the Quran or the Bible. as it is we have theists attempting to warp science to get to work with their beliefs.

science tends to rule out the possibility of a Deity.the only way it doe sent is if you dint have a firm grasp on science and only believe that to validate your beliefs.

I'd like to see some support for your thesis.

u r wrong if u think that all Scientist are atheists

I'm doing my dancing with JESUS. he's leading

of course!! the word of Allah is the truth
Surah AL-Israa, Verse 105: "And we have revealed this with the truth, and in truth it was sent."

-Surah AL-Baqarah, Verses 1-2: "Alif(A) Lam (L) Mim (M). There is no doubt about this book, a guidance to the pious."

-Surah Fussilat, Verse 42: "No falsehood can come to it, not from before it or from behind it. It is a revelation from the All-Wise, the One worthy of all praise."

-Surah AL-Israa, Verse 9: "Indeed, this Qur'an guides to the way that is most right."

-Surah al-An'am, Verse 115: "And the revelations of your Lord have been perfected in truth and justice."

-Surah az-Zumar, Verse 23: "Allah has revealed the best of revelations, a book consistent with itself, repeating its teachings in various aspects. The skins of those who fear their Lord shiver at it, then their skins and hearts soften to the celebration of praising Allah."

Even if science and scripture were completely congruent, there is still a fundamental difference between "believers" and atheists:

Believers believe in God; atheists don't.

An important source of Evolution is the Nature?s process of selection. Which is originally one of the laws of nature and a secondary cause, like the other laws of nature, as it?s Creator is again God.

All the species generated by this process are again the indirect creation of God as the Nature?s process of selection, itself, is not capable to create any specie. It simply admits some species to be nourished, leaving aside the others, to be withered and this process works under some hereditary variations. So___ the survival or removal of a specific specie, is never accidental as it is presumed by the believers of material or mechanical evolution?.

This very statement of Edward Luther Castle positively removes that superstition. Which has captured, not only, the materialists but the religious leaders as well. Who are still in it?s captivity even after the lapse of so many years. Dr. George Erl Devis, the physicist, writes:

?As much as the knowledge is flourishing and the superstitions are being unveiled___ importance & inevitability of the critical study of religion & ethics___ is increasing day by day in the same scale.?

The physicist is hinting upon the urge of the ?quest for truth and the specific process? which may bring forth, a suitable solution for the problems of life. Of course, we can not lead the life in a particular way unless we come to know the origin of life. What is the actual and factual truth? Only after positive cognition of the same, we can learn to lead the real life. And__ the same learning may, in turn, lead us to the aim of life.

George Erl Devis writes further:

?The surprising scientific discoveries have produced certain indispensable questions. Though not so new, but their nature has become more changed, on account of___ the receipt of detailed information about cosmic system. And___ in any case____ man can not be held as excluded the reform. Among these questions, is the most important question___ upon whose answer is depending___ our aim of life and the system of our moral values. And___ that is the same old question that:

Is there any Supreme and Sublime Source who is the Creator of whole cosmos and who could be surnames as God?

And___ thereby arises the other question, that if God has created us then who has created God? This question is usually raised by the children, in a highly logical air.

We can not deny the fact, that science has no convincing reply of the question that God is existing or not? Rather, science can never bring forth a scientific proof thereof.

We are breathing in such a physical universe which is running smoothly in terms of the Prue-ordained laws of it?s complex ed system. But, it does not mean that we can ever derive some information, through this very universe, about a thing, which is existing outside to this universe. Our universe is just like a room without any doors and windows. And even if it is having the same, then, such glasses are fixed therein that to see & understand the outside the reform is totally impossible. Whereas to see inside from the outside__ is almost possible.?

As we can not prove the existence or non-existence of God on the basis of science. So it is the all-alone way for us, that whatsoever stock of information we have, about this universe. We should derive a reasonable result therefrom. Such a reasonable result___ which could never be objected on logical grounds. And such a result, duly derived from the stock of scientific information, is this:


?No material thing is capable to create it by itself?

and___ that is such a reasonable result, which is free from all sorts of logical objections. And___ through this very result we come to know about the Creator Who is Creator of all the material and immaterial things, and who is the Omnipotent.

If we presume that the universe is created accidentally or automatically. Then we will have to presume too, that the universe, itself has the power of creation. Such a presumption is, however, not maintainable on account of the scientific in formations, collected so far, about the universe. So___ accidental or automatic creation of universe___ is the result___ which is totally irrational.

And where, God is being believed as the Alone Creator of universe, scientific in formations are now becoming a foundation there. And science___ which is the fountain-head of the pure observational, analytical and experimental knowledge___ has reached at such a stage. That the next step whereof is not else___ but to believe in God and God?s Almighty Omnipotence. And___ that is on account of this very consensus of the universal scientific in formations that:

?No material thing is capable to create it by itself?.

It is a Verse-like ray of Holy light and a great information. Proper apprehension whereof leads us, directly, to the realm of Faith.

?Universe was created accidentally or automatically? is a notion, which is not confirmed by the scientific information. So, to think like that is an irrational & illogical gesture. Which leads nowhere but to the ignorance.

Which God we should believe?

It is an important question and it is more important for the person who is desirous to know his God.

Can we consider this accidentally or automatically created universe as God? Does it create and remove everything by itself? But the scientific consensus that:

?No material thing is capable to create it by itself?

clarifies that universe was not created accidentally or automatically. Nor it is capable to create anything by itself. Nor it is given any knowledge of creation. And___ if the universe does not own any knowledge of creation___ then the knowledge of creation is definitely related to Mr. Albert Einstein?s that very Infinite & Supreme Power or Cause. Whose creative manifestations are being seen everywhere in this incomprehensible universe.

The act of knowledge, which is the process of creation in this universe___ is a magnificent sign ___ which is leading us, directly, to the Creator.

Power of knowledge and act of knowledge in terms of the process of creation___ bespeak of such a Creator who is Unique___ Who is free from the creaturely traits__ Who is far above the Nature and our state of knowledge___ Who is Supreme, Supernatural and Omnipotent. About whom we can speak in the following rational terms.

?The Creator of things is not a thing or like the created things. And as the intellect itself is a thing, so it is not considerable more than a thing of superior kind. Therefore its capability of making some image or imagination of the Creator will result to such a step, which may diminish the supreme sublimity of the Creator?.

In this way a man of intellect may believe in God on logical basis. Whereafter he will always consider his God as the Sole Creator and the Sole Guardian of universe. He will never consider his God as a part of universe or a thing in universe or the universe.

It means that God is Super-natural and Super-physical. Who is not perceivable through our senses at all.

The commonplace concept that God is a kind of matter as well as God is the Creator of matter or___ God is the universe as well as God is Super-natural & Super-physical___ is a self-contradictory and an irrational concept.

We must refrain from such concepts and resort to reality that existence of creatures is separate from the Creator and the creatures are not like the Creator at all. Because creatures live and die and they are under God?s control. It is recorded in the Scripture in the words of the Creator:

?I__ and I alone___ am God
No other god is real?
(Duet 32:39)

Worship no god but Me!
Do not make for yourselves images of anything
In heaven or on earth or in the water under the earth
Do not bow down to any idol or worship it
For I am the Lord your God and
I tolerate no rivals.
(Duet 5:7 to 9)

Hence, we must believe our God as the Supernatural and Super-physical. God is not perceivable by our senses. Nor___ God is point-able like point-able things. Nor___ the names of God?s created things should be used for God. Nor ___ we should consider God in terms of things and worship God as a thing. Of course___ we should believe God, the same way, as God has commanded us to believe. And___ God?s Commandments 9Duet 32:39 and Duet 5:7 to 9) are very much reasonable and quiet corresponding to our intellect.

Yes - because Bible and Quran are both words of GOD, but Bible had undergone various human made changes where as Quran remains intact.

Who else will know nature better then who created it.

Why not check this for various other Miracles in Quran:
http://www.harunyahya.com/c_miracles_quran.php

in the end the Truth comes out anyway - and people will discover it was all saying the same thing through different disciplines and different nations of people -- but it all goes back to the Source who created it, and the plan God has.

Cooldude 007 stated that the Bible and the Quran were both written by God. They do have some similarities but that's where it ends. Why would a loving God cause so much confusion. Well he didn't. Because God IS love, only the book promoting love could be His work. And it AIN'T the Quran.

Well that is a very optimistic, or should i say idealistic view of IRS. And, i pray that a day like that comes. But, realistically i don't see it happening. Let me sum up an atheist for u, if GOD actually shows up and Says "I m Ur GOD, so u Bow to ME", the atheist would always say "Prove It". The problem with atheist is Not that they don't see the Signs, But the problem is they dint want to see the signs, they dint want to Believe in GOD, they dint want to bow to anyone, and they can satisfy themselves with the most illogical of answers, and most atheists would rather die than to believe in GOD. That was just my opinion abet them. Anyways, Peace to All.