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Old 07-08-2010, 05:10 PM
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Default Where is the doctrine of Imaamat in Quran?

Salam Alaikum, This is a very sound question.

Quran is the book of guidance and we have been told by the Prophet that whenever we felt lost we can consult Quran and it will never betray us. It's importance is to the extend that Shia holds that because of not believing in this doctrine, 80% of Muslims are misguided and in fact not true believers. Well, which verses of Quran have given us this doctrine?

Ask Shia to ONLY give you the verses with NO additions to the translation and NO Hadeeth to support a certain interpretation of the verse and NO personal commentaries. Do this and you will see how helpless the arguments will be.

Now when you ask this from a Shia you receive different sorts of answers (and it is interesting that because the discussion is over the net, usually people cannot co-ordinate among themselves and you will receive responses from Shia that are in contradiction to each other and this in turns shows how baseless are the discussions).
Here are the most popular answers that you get:

1.There are also no verses in Quran to tell us how to pray. We learn some of our duties from Hadeeth not Quran .
2.There are certain verses but you need to look at Hadeeth to understand their true meaning cause we are advised to learn Quran from the Prophet and Hadeeth is his teachings.
3.Long and complicated analysis of certain verses of Quran to prove that even without the help of Hadeeth, they are proving Imaamat.
4.There are no mention of the name of our Prophet in Bible but still Christians need to believe in the Prophet.
5.The verses of Quran are usually general and it is not the style of Quran to name people (i.e. Imaams)
6.Quran says "follow the Prophet". There are Hadeeth from the Prophet that prove the doctrine of Imaamat and this should be enough for a Muslim if he wants to follow the Prophet.
7.There are not explicit verses because if they were, Quran was in danger of fabrication
8.Finally among the classic scholars of Shia at the old times there were some of them who hold that Quran is changed by Sahabah and that certain verses are removed from it.
9.Where in Quran it is said that Muslims should choose a khalifah by themselves?
10.Show us the names of the prophets between ... and ... in Quran if you think that every thing should be in Quran .
11.It is a test that's why it is not mentioned in Quran
12.Arguments that use few verses of Quran out of the context
13.Sunnis believe in Mahdi while he is not mentioned in Quran
14.Imaamat is not the fundamental belief of 12ers, the appointment of Ali R.a. is the fundamental of belief.

Now let us investigate those answers shall we?
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Old 07-11-2010, 05:10 PM
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Old 07-15-2010, 05:10 PM
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all they are gonna do is,take a random verse
post about 30 % of it and claim it refers to the Imams...
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Old 07-19-2010, 05:10 PM
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Its too long to read
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Old 07-24-2010, 05:10 PM
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:10 PM
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Assalamu Alaykum,

Imamah has been mentioned numerous times in the Quran. One such example is the following Ayah:

"And remember that Abraham was tried by his Lord with certain commands, which he fulfilled: He said: 'I will make thee an Imam to the Nations.' "

- Quran 2:124
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Old 07-30-2010, 05:10 PM
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whenever you accept that Muta is allowed since it is clearly in the Holy Quran, then you can bring this argument..........

assuming, even if the name of every single of the 12 Holy Imams (As) were mentioned by name in the Holy Quran, those who wanted to reject it, would reject it, just like how they are rejecting the Marriage of Muta, and has a Holy Verse in the Holy Quran........


secondly, only people with contradictions would talk the way you have.......

because its very int resting to see the comment of the Sunni Elma when it comes to the Holy Verse of cave (9:40), and they claim whoever does not accept Abeu bark as the companion of the Prophet (PBUH&HF) or rejects he was not in the cave with the Holy Prophet (PBUH&HF) is a "kafir", and has left Islam.........

....if this is something which would take someone off of the religion of Allah SWT, then where is the name of abu bakr mentioned?


thirdly, the even more intresting part is that you mention some of the answers of Shias which you yourself cant refute, and by including those answers in your question, you are basically trying to ask Shias not to provide the answers which you can not refute.......
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Old 08-04-2010, 05:10 PM
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You just destroyed Shiism ...
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Old 08-08-2010, 05:10 PM
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letter No. 6 of Imaam Ali to Mo'aviah (note that in some versions of Nahjul blag. This letter is few numbers before or after): "People who did Bayat to Aboobakr and Omar, did bay at with me in the same way. So the one who is present cannot select any one else for Khalifah and the one who is absent cannot disobey people in their selection. Shurah belongs to Mohajer and Ansar, so if they gather around a person and appoint him as their Imaam this is to the satisfaction of Allah. If any one disapprove them on this or innovate something about it he should be taken back to the people who he has left (by accepting the appointed Khalifah), and if he refused to do so people has to fight with him as he is going to a path other than of Muslims."
(Note that in the Shia websites like al-islam.org, certain words have been inserted in the translation -like the word "suppose" - without putting them in the brackets in an attempt to change the meaning of the text.)
Now it's up to the Shia brothers and sisters whether they want to attribute Taqyah or lie or politics or what ever to their Imam and whether they like to justify his comment in the same way that they justify verses of Quran.
(also please bear in your mind that we have an explicit verse in Quran that says "va amrohom shoora baynahom", (and their affairs are done by consultancy between them). Surely the question of leadership is one of the affairs of Muslims. However I won't use this verse to prove anything about Khilaafath in Islam. Unlike the Shia brothers and sisters, I am quite cautious about playing Lego with the verses of Quran)
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