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Old 06-28-2010, 06:07 PM
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Default Should a Christian be executed for insulting Islam in a Muslim country?

I am neither christian nor Muslim.

Just a few days ago, a christian was arrested in Indonesia for insulting Islam using his christian tracts/brochures.

The court sentenced him to 5 years' jail but many Muslims want him dead.

Personally, I believe in freedom of speech. But shouldn't the christian be punished more severely for his irresponsible preaching?

He knew he was in a Muslim country. He knew many Muslims would react violently if he insulted Islam.

And yet he did it.

Yes the Muslims are wrong to want him executed. But what do you think about this irresponsible christian preacher?

Should he be executed? He is in a Muslim country and yet he lacks respect for other religions.
He knew it was a crime to insult Islam in a Muslim country and yet he did it. Why should he be let off lightly? It's a Muslim country, not the USA or Europe
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Old 06-30-2010, 06:07 PM
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Only if you think that a Muslim should be executed for insulting Christianity in a non-Muslim country.
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Old 07-05-2010, 06:07 PM
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<<<Should he be executed?>>>

Well he himself is aware of the possibility that he will be executed yet he did it. So maybe he himself wants to be executed. His irresponsibility is only exceeded by his arrogance.

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If he gets executed that's because he broke the law in that country. He knows it's a crime yet he committed that crime. He's very much aware that he's going against the law and that's the issue.
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Old 07-09-2010, 06:07 PM
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Muslims think so. Read their teachings. Maybe I should say DON'T read their teachings. I don't know, read what you want to read.
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Old 07-10-2010, 06:07 PM
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I don't agree with execution in any case, so no he doesn't. He does however deserve to be punished , insulting Islam in a very religious country is just disrespectful and hateful - he knew entirely what he was getting himself into.
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Old 07-13-2010, 06:07 PM
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People who go to backwards crap holes should know where they are and watch their mouths accordingly.
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Old 07-14-2010, 06:07 PM
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So-o-o you approve of theocracy and believe that the rules set up by a ruling caste of priests/imams/whatever should be followed without question. Interesting. I didn't think it of you. The answer is of course, no. I don't think the man in question should be punished at all. Free men don't throw one another into jail just for being annoying. You apparently aren't too keen on freedom -- at least not for people who disagree with you.
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Old 07-16-2010, 06:07 PM
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if i shoot Muslims in a Muslim country is that beater
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Old 07-18-2010, 06:07 PM
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Yes, he should. You don't run your mouth when you live in a theocracy. Common sense.
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Old 07-19-2010, 06:07 PM
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Now look - you and me and all here need to become Muslims - there is plenty to do in the heavenly bordello even for an atheist like you - enough for you to get converted - so how about it?

VIRGINS (HOURIS)
Mohammed knew that sex would sell very well among the group of his lecherous followers who were motivated to fight battles by the promise of sex slaves and booty. By constantly emphasizing to his followers that they would get untouched virgins in Paradise, Mohammed is clearly expressing his "high" opinion of the institution of marriage and his fairness to women. Once the followers go to heaven, they can conveniently ditch their wives for the fresher and more pleasurable sexual encounters with 'Houris' (beautiful virgins). Not only that, the poor wives who gave up their virginity for the pleasure of their husbands do not get even one Male Sex Bomb. But wait, Allah is all merciful! He gives the wives the rare hon our of watching their husbands deflower those 72 Houris (virgins) and 28 young Prue-pubescent boys.

The relevant verses from the Koran are:
Koran 78:31 As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and vineyards, and high- bosom ed virgins for companions: a truly overflowing cup.
Koran 37:40-48...They will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches.
Koran 44:51-55 ...Yes and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris. (beautiful virgins)
Koran 52:17-20 ...They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To dark-eyed houris (virgins) we shall wed them...
Koran 55:56-57 In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched before.Then which of the favors of your Lord will you deny ?"
Koran 55:57-58 Virgins as fair as corals and rubies. Then which of the favors of your Lord will you deny ?"
Koran 56:7-40 ...We created the houris (the beautiful women) and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand.. "
Koran 55:70-77 "In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair... Dark eyed virgins sheltered in their tents whom neither man nor Jin will have touched before..

In the Hadiths, Mohammed goes one step further and expands the promise of virgins to include a free sex market where there is no limit of the number of sexual partners. Women and young boys are on display as if in a fruit market where you can choose the desired ripeness.

Quote from Hadiths
Al Hadis, Vol. 4, p. 172, No. 34
Ali reported that the Apostle of Allah said, "There is in Paradise a market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, he will have intercourse with them."
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Old 07-23-2010, 06:07 PM
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So the issue is the bias of the article. Those who accuse him are insulted by his presence. Indonesia is a member of the UN but does not uphold the integrity of freedom of religion.
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Old 07-26-2010, 06:07 PM
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But shouldn't the christian be punished more severely for his irresponsible preaching?
no

Yes the Muslims are wrong to want him executed. But what do you think about this irresponsible christian preacher?

he was not irresponsible

Should he be executed?
no

so are you saying we should respect a religion that stones woman still today

i thought knowledge and reason was truth

for example so we should not say anything because a religion believes it is okay to sacrifice their virgins to a god?

just let them do it and say nothing of it is wrong?
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Old 07-29-2010, 06:07 PM
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Nobody should be murdered for saying what they feel.
We should have the right to speak our minds.
It is BS that we live in a world where we can be punished for talking.
I speak against Christianity and Islam on a daily basis.
I get threatened with death from a Christian about twice a year.
I get threatened with death from a Muslim at least once a month.
I keep telling the truth about them both.
Even according to the Bible,
Jesus and Muhammad are false prophets.
Christianity and Islam are lies.
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Old 08-02-2010, 06:07 PM
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Of course not, in my opinion.

But then my opinion doesn't count in backward countries with barbaric laws dating from the 13Th century.
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Old 08-06-2010, 06:07 PM
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Define what a wolf is?
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Old 08-10-2010, 06:07 PM
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While I don't approve of preaching, there is no reason to arrest some one for insulting some Else's religion. Clearly if a god is real (like either God or Allah), it can defend itself without human help. Any religion that needs human laws to "protect the honor of their religion" obviously does not worship a real god.
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Old 08-12-2010, 06:07 PM
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Missionaries have been doing this for years and years. I believe the punishment doesn't fit the crime here.

I understand the cultural differences and the right to preserve a racial heritage that conforms to a set of beliefs, but just how threatening is it that it warrants such a reaction.

If this person was compelled by God to speak then he did what he must and he knew the risk involved. Who are we to deny God?
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Old 08-17-2010, 06:07 PM
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No. They're all just doing their job. I made it so they believed in many things, so as not to be too sure of my existence.
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Old 08-20-2010, 06:07 PM
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I don't normally give it any thought about things like this. But I will in this case.

I think both parties are going to the extremes, him preaching where he shouldn't, and the punishment, is way to severe. All they had to do was export him.

Wanting him dead? Isn't that a bit over doing it? That just shows these peoples mentalities.
All he was doing was preaching. So, what are the Muslims afraid of, maybe someone hearing the truth?

We have people in America who insult Christians and other religions, and nothing happens to them. That is their right.

Besides, insults are just that...words...

Not all countries allow Freedom of Speech. That is something foreigners have to watch out for when visiting other countries. What is okay to do here, can lead to a jail sentence in other places.

No, people should not be executed for any crime, short of perhaps a brutal premeditated murder.
And even then, perhaps a life sentence would be better.
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Old 08-25-2010, 06:07 PM
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No, I dint think he should be sent to prison OR executed. Thats a bit over the top.
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Old 08-29-2010, 06:07 PM
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Yes..
Freedom of speech is and freedom of insult is not same. "Freedom of speech" does not exist in real absolute sense. Every nation or culture keep some limit to protect sanctity of their fundamentals. So does Islam.
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Old 08-31-2010, 06:07 PM
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I completely disagree with you here. You are right that it is a Muslim country and not the USA or Europe so he would know the consequences. As Christians we are to follow whatever countries' laws we live under. However, that doesn't hold true when the country laws completely defy what is taught in the bible. In the bible we are to preach to everyone about God, no matter where we are. If he is executed then he is a martyr, one who God will never forget because he lost his life for Him and may have saved people in the country. I hate the death penalty anyways. its stupid and idiotic. I know that people think that murderers should b killed but doing that sends them to hell after the second judgment if they dint repent first. that's why i believe only in lifetime imprisonment that way they can be saved and kept in jail so everyone feels safe or if they dint repent kept in jail forever.
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