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Old 07-09-2010, 09:45 PM
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Default Muslim Quran Question?

I'm a little confuse about this.
can anyone in your high religious position (pope equivalent) add or take anything ( written word or order ) from the holy Qumran?


why did some imam (cleric equivalent i think) says its a sin to touch or associate w/ non-believers(infidels) and some dint. and many for things like making some objects no matter harmless to moral and such be banned in public and condemned.


P.s. i meant no offense, i just want to be clear about this. thanks
oh yeah, about the second question, I'm hearing and reading reports that these are happening somewhere in the mid-east. where some clerics says this aloud in speakers. or perhaps i heard wrongly about why some say it as sin to associate or interact w/ non-believers.

thanks again for the proper answers. i learned something today.
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Old 07-14-2010, 09:45 PM
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Old 07-17-2010, 09:45 PM
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No absolutely not. The Quran cannot be changed... not a single letter. Sir William Muir, a renowned critic of Islam once said on the Quran:

"There is not a single book on earth that has remained in its pristine form as it were revealed some 12 centuries ago, (now 14 centuries) but the Koran."

Can you please clarify your second question.

EDIT:

I'm sure you will find few clerics who blatantly say "you cannot interact with non-Muslims", but that is only true if those non-Muslims are committing sins. So we cannot interact with them while they are dancing in clubs, or drinking alcohol, etc.

Other interactions are fine, and in fact we are told to be good to them. Here is a clear verse from the Quran:

(" Allah does not forbid you respecting those [non-Muslims] who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice. ")

It's clear that we are only forbidden from those who wage war against us because of our belief, or drive us from our homes, for we are entitled to defend ourselves.
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Old 07-18-2010, 09:45 PM
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How many times has Christianity changed their intents and interpretations. What was once not allowed is not OK. What people were people were once burnt at the stake for believing is now accepted fact. Muslims are not alone in rhetoric, radicalism and bias christian. One needs only to look into their own back yard some times to find answers.
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Old 07-23-2010, 09:45 PM
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Quran is word of God. It is protected by God, never changed.

Muslims can associate with non Muslims but of course they cant go out clubbing with them and drinking. So it depends on activity. Muslims can touch non Muslims. Of course Muslims cannot touch people of opposite gender irrespective of religion.

Dont know what you mean about objects.
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Old 07-28-2010, 09:45 PM
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No u can not take anything or add anything from the holy Quran because it's the words of Allah and it's not men made religion.
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Old 07-30-2010, 09:45 PM
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AL Qumran is a miracle. Qumran can not be corrupted, because a lot of Muslims are memorized the Quran. when there is only one letter difference, it will be caught.
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Old 08-01-2010, 09:45 PM
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To your first question, no one can edit the Holy Quran.
Second one, it's perfectly fine to associate with people of other beliefs.
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Old 08-04-2010, 09:45 PM
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First of all it would depend on who you are talking to.
Sunni belief is that there is no higher authority, an Imam in their view is someone who leads prayer and is more learned about religion. He has no religious authority and you can follow what he says if you want, there is no obligation.
Shia belief is that there were various numbers of Imams, different sects will differ on how many there were. These were decedents from the Prophet Muhammad. They consider them infallible and follow what they say without question. However there are no Imams currently teaching, the last one is in hiding according to Shia teachings.
However neither of these two schools of thought belief that anyone can change the Quran. Both Shias and Sunnis have the same exact Quran, it is the other teachings that differ between the two groups.
The sin thing you are talking about all depends on interpretation, there is nothing explicit in any of the teachings that I know about that say "non-believers" are Hiram, forbidden. So it is simply a matter of choice, Islam is not a monolithic religion as it is often portrayed, there are different sects, branches, and interpretations.
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Old 08-09-2010, 09:45 PM
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No. Quran is Allah's own word. Nobody has the authority to change even a
single alphabet from it. Even prophet Muhammad did not have that authority.
For your information Allah has undertaken to guard it till Day of Resurrection.

The prohibition to associate with non believers is limited to those people who
are indulged in war against Islam or Muslims.

Muhammad Javed Iqbal
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"can anyone in your high religious position (pope equivalent) add or take anything ( written word or order ) from the holy Qumran?"

They already did, Caliph Uthaman had a council to decide what should be in the Qumran and what must be removed. He also burnt many copies of the Qumran as there were too many versions and he approved of his version. At the time of Mohammad he himself approved of 7 versions so you must see at the time of Uthaman how many must have been there. Yet Uthaman's attempts were futile as there are many versions of the Qumran as of today.

"why did some imam (cleric equivalent i think) says its a sin to touch or associate w/ non-believers(infidels) and some dint."

That's because there are so many versions of the quran, one hardly knows what is allowed and what is not. So when one cleric says it's okay, the other who uses a different version of the quran says it's not.

Some muslims must learn not to defend their faith by using another faith as a shield by doing so they are showing that islam is an incompetent religion and that allah made a false promise of protecting the quran and thus he is a liar.
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Old 08-13-2010, 09:45 PM
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Salam Alaykum ...

In the name of God the Merciful: And We sent not before you except men to whom We revealed [Our message]. So ask the people of the message if you do not know. [16:43].

NO ONE CAN CHANGE ANY LETTER IN THE QUR'AN BUT HE CAN EXPLAIN IT !! CHANGING QURAN IS VERY HARD BECAUSE MANY MANY PEOPLE ALREADY MEMORIZED AND IT IS VERY HARD TO CHANGE IT... NO ONE IS ALOUD TO. many tried but didn't work .

Some Verses may be unclear to Muslims, so it needs Pope Equivalent, who is called Sheikh:

1. He knows the ruling with Yaren (absolute certainty) or Diahann (probability) through the tools of juristic reasoning.

2. He understands the question in full. In order to give the ruling, he must understand the question and the circumstances surrounding it completely.

This means that the inquirer asks the question in a clear and concise manner. He or she informs the Mufti of all the facts of the situation. This includes any details that are likely to be pertinent to the situation. This can include: age, occupation, specifics about the situation ? anything that could affect the guidance that the mufti may give.


3. He is able to pay full attention and is not hungry, sleepy, agitated, angry, or in need to answer the call of nature. Moreover, he cannot be experiencing pain, extreme illness, or any need immediate medical attention to relieve extreme pain or discomfort.


For the questioner, part of this means not annoying the mufti by asking him questions at times or situations that may be inconvenient for him, his family, or his health. Many times when a shaikh or ?alum comes to town and offers some time to spend with students or questioners at the masked, the students will not let him rest until he is to the point of absolute exhaustion and the signs of fatigue show on his face. The student should not wait outside every door they enter in hopes of ambushing them with questions, nor excessively inflate their email in boxes; rather, he or she should ask what time is best for them and approach them at that time. This is not only bad for the process of asking questions but it also shows a lack of care and respect for the health and well-being of scholars. Students should be open and sincere with scholars and treat them with utmost respect (without exaltation) but should also make sure not to burden them with excessive questions.


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But what I don;t understand, is that the Pope (Christianity) Switched the old testament so easily to a new one O.o ... that confused me .. No Offense
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Old 08-14-2010, 09:45 PM
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"But what I don;t understand, is that the Pope (Christianity) Switched the old testament so easily to a new one O.o ... that confused me .. "

But what I don;t understand, is that Mohammad (Islam) Switched the previous scriptures so easily to a new one O.o ... that confused me .. and all Muslims too are confused hence they have over 100 versions of the Qumran.
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