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Old 07-19-2010, 04:10 PM
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Default Is the Torah SEXIST????

Exodus 21:10 God ordains men taking several wives and even sets up laws as to how multiple wives should be handled.
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Old 07-22-2010, 04:10 PM
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of course it's sexist!!! shush, a blind man can see that! Lil...
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Old 07-27-2010, 04:10 PM
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I'm down with it. The Torah is just SEXY! I'll join that harem any day.
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Old 08-01-2010, 04:10 PM
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without a doubt.
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Old 08-04-2010, 04:10 PM
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LMAO, are you serious? i thought it was quite obvious that all religions were to varying degrees sexist
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Old 08-07-2010, 04:10 PM
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Gods laws and the heavens and earth may pass but these WILL NOT CHANGE.

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Old 08-10-2010, 04:10 PM
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All of the literature from that period is sexist. Keep in mind that women often died in childbirth and children died in infancy so it was common to have more than one wife to replace the wives and children who died.

These ordinances have been set aside. Judaism is constantly changing and being questioned. That is part of the religion.
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Old 08-12-2010, 04:10 PM
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How would that be sexist? Polygamy had been practiced thousands of years before Judaism and after wards, too. Except they didn't have laws governing it. Those laws in the Torah govern the practice to make sure the woman are properly cared for. Wouldn't that suggest that the Torah ISN'T sexist?

Also, if you read the Torah, every polygamous relationship in the Tanakh ends badly--a good hint to future generations to outlaw it.
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Old 08-14-2010, 04:10 PM
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They're all designed to oppress women.

edit: lady Suri makes a point. The Torah, and Quran both accept polygamy. The Quran says only for those who can be equal to all the wives. If there is any man in the world who can be equal to two women, than it's acceptable. However, since that's *not possible*, I would argue that polygamy is not allowed in any religion.
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Old 08-16-2010, 04:10 PM
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Ahhhh...so glad that they don't allow this
(have a hard enough time getting a date without everybody else having a half dozen wives to mistreat)
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Old 08-18-2010, 04:10 PM
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I find that one wife is more then I can handle probably because she does not follow the Torah and worship the ground I walk on. She has a will and a mind. I would have it no other way.
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Old 08-23-2010, 04:10 PM
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the Torah would include many firsts for women

1) eve was the first defender of the faith
2) the world declared VERY GOOD only after the creation of Eve
3) the first act of righteous civil disobedience but he Egyptian midwives who spared the Hebrew boy babies
4) the first legal challenge by the daughters of Zepophehad to MOses and God said they were right in the legal inheritance issue they brought up

as far as multiple wives.... God allowed things that were not the best... because of the hardness of peoples hearts according to Jesus... these would include divorce... regulation of slavery and multiple marriages... there are no cases of happy multiple marriages in the BIble I know of
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Old 08-25-2010, 04:10 PM
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News flash Two sexes who knew? my goodness you mean there could be some sutler if not unrepresentative of the human condition.
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Old 08-30-2010, 04:10 PM
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The 3 main religions are all sexist. Why do they fear women so? This is the question that must be asked. And, women, it's time to wake up. You are the spiritual vessels of human kind. Men are not capable of doing your job for you. To want to control something, as in women, you have to fear it first. Find out why this is so. Get back what was once yours. You are the spiritual vessels of mankind and are responsible for our future. We must seek out exactly what that is if we are going to change this planet for the better. It is up to us, the women, the spiritual sisters in arms. Ask yourself, why do men fear us so much that they had to enslave us through their religion.
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Old 09-01-2010, 04:10 PM
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Education is a waste when you not read the other verses and only take one, to completely take out of context

take an aspirin and lie down. You'll feel better in the morning..
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Old 09-05-2010, 04:10 PM
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Sexist is another word for the laws created in nature.

Females have a role, males have another. No one is meant to substitute the other or has higher value than the other.

The ordaining of several wife's makes sense (for example) during times of war when men die. What would you have happen. One wife each surviving male and the other women go without?

I am Muslim by faith and am always flabbergasted by how people focus in on this one point. At least there is enough hon our in this system that a man takes a 2ND wife in front of the whole world and is not sneaky, lying, cheating and having a mistress or affair on the side.

Women can't have more than one husband, because the father of children wouldn't be known to society.

Myself, I wouldn't do it. But if 3 adults agree on it, what's it to you? Maybe you're the one who's sexist standing in judgment of women who live in Miltie-spouse relationships.
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Old 09-10-2010, 04:10 PM
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Maybe they had same sex marriage back then, and "wives" could be both sexes.... in that case, there would be absolutely nothing "sexist" about Exodus 21:10.
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Old 09-14-2010, 04:10 PM
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Hear the wisdom of the Son of God:


Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?"

"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
"Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?"
Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."
he disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."
Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it." Matthew 19:3-12

So it was because of the hardness of men's hearts that God permitted such things. He did not approve them.
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Old 09-19-2010, 04:10 PM
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First is God male? Please show me the verse where God tell us his/her/its gender. There isn't one.

The Torah as written by Moses expresses a paternal culture where women were property, men had multiple wives, and the tradition was passed down from one generation to another by males. Was Moses a sexist? Or a realist?

Any Jew will tell you that the covenant that Israel and his descendants and God must be renew each generation. Do you think women, mothers of the new generation, have any more privileges today?
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Old 09-20-2010, 04:10 PM
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It is sexist, and dint forget the women are "unclean" and have to go away for 10 days when menstruating, its in Leviticus i can dig it out if anyone wants to call me on it,

calling women unclean for their period is sexist
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Old 09-24-2010, 04:10 PM
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Good question my dear; I went further, it is said in the bible that the two daughters of Lot slept and had sex with their father; the same things happened with Sodome and Gomore. I am supporting you to elicit clearer answers.
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Old 09-28-2010, 04:10 PM
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Another great idea the fundamentalist Christians seem to be taking a pass on.
Face facts women are petulant and a little inclined to being bossy. My wife's favorite shirt had Tweety bird saying "So what if I'm bossy.". Women truly operate most effectively behind the scenes. I wear the pants go to work pay the bills and she really does what suits her. Give the fellas a little slack to swell the old pride with. Everyone knows that women really run the world. Those scripture things are mostly all the guys getting together and saying hell ya I am running this show. They write it down in their little clubhouse book. But when they get home at night............
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Old 10-01-2010, 04:10 PM
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Torah Torah Torah

Wasn't that a Japanese Movie?
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Old 10-04-2010, 04:10 PM
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The bible is no more than a group of very primitive men writing what they think is right

The bible is only useful in a social development class of how early man formed community's

Thats it

Not only is the entire book sexist it is racist and a few other things

Slavery - A OK according to the old book and Jesus

beating children - A OK

Killing non believers - something to be encouraged

Letting a man with a crushed testicle be a Preist that is a big no no

The incredible instructions on how to handle the problem of menstruation - wow just read that one -

How to cure Leprosy with 2 turtle doves and a visit to the local priest - Just when you thought the menstruation crap could never be topped

I went to school to study the bible and spent 4 years in a Theology program -

I am glad I did that - But I know now that if any thinking person actually read the bible it would be laughed at - and then cried over that we took this stuff seriously at one point in our collective history

It is a sad tale of abuse hate racists slave traders and biz are people who needed medication and never got it
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Old 10-07-2010, 04:10 PM
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Are you talking about the Old Testament? Yes - like most western religious tracts.
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Old 10-11-2010, 04:10 PM
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The Middle Ages were very different from the times we live in right now.

Handling one woman is more than enough I should say.
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Old 10-13-2010, 04:10 PM
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Just like the laws of "slavery" in the Torah, they make the situation difficult to the point that no one can do these things and truly follow the law.
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