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Old 07-26-2010, 04:20 PM
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Default Why do some people claim that that mohammed was prophesied of in the torah and new te

I have seen no such prophesy.

could someone explain this ?
You know, I have been asking several questions and no Muslims seem to be answering them.
I would like everyone to attempt, but i prefer a Muslims to at least attempt to clear these things up with me.
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Old 07-27-2010, 04:20 PM
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He WASN"T!!!



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Old 08-01-2010, 04:20 PM
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It's not true.
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Old 08-03-2010, 04:20 PM
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Religion has a habit of finding prophecy in other, older texts after he fact, just ask the "messiah."
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Old 08-07-2010, 04:20 PM
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Because they have read neither the Torah nor the New Testament and are desperate to get as much legitimacy as they can.
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Old 08-08-2010, 04:20 PM
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No such prophecy in the BIBLE or TORAH!
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Old 08-10-2010, 04:20 PM
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Read:

Muhammad (pub) Foretold in the Old Testament
http://www.understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=article&aid=175&sscatid=567

Muhammad (pub) Foretold in the New Testament
http://www.understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=article&aid=176&sscatid=567
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Old 08-14-2010, 04:20 PM
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Mt. Sinai - the Evidence

RED SEA CROSSING SITE In 1 Kings 9:26, the Bible tells us, ?King Solomon also built ships at Ezion Geber, which is near Elath in Edom, on the shore of the Red Sea.? This verse provides us with some compelling clues. First, Solomon had his port at Elath (modern Eilat) on the shores of the northern tip of the Gulf of Aqaba (which forms the eastern ?finger? of the Red Sea proper). The NIV Study Bible references this verse as follows: ?Red Sea. The Hebrew for this term, normally read as Yam Suph (?sea of reeds?), refers to the body of water through which the Israelites passed at the time of the Exodus. It can also be read, however, as Yam Soph (?sea of land?s end?), a more likely reading when referring to the Red Sea, and especially . . . to its eastern arm, the Gulf of Aqaba.?
This could well mean that the ?sea of land?s end,? at the tip of the Sinai Peninsula, was the site of the Israelites? crossing. At the very least, the use of the same Hebrew term both for the place where the Israelites crossed and for the Gulf of Aqaba at Elath shows that the body of water in question is not an isolated lake, but includes the bulk of what we know as the Red Sea.

BITTER LAKES: Many scholars suggest that the actual crossing of the ?sea of reeds? was in the Bitter Lakes region, north of the Gulf of Suez, where some observers have claimed that wind can cause the lake level to fluctuate several feet. However, this simply is not consistent with numerous other Biblical references, including the account of an entire, Egypt-engulfing locust swarm being blown into Yam Suph (Exodus 10:19), Solomon sailing a fleet of ships on Yam Suph (1 Kings 9:26), and the description of the way in which Pharaoh?s soldiers died at Yam Suph: ?But You blew with your breath, and the sea covered them. They sank like lead in the mighty waters? (Exodus 15:10). The Bitter Lakes region is a marsh with no mighty waters. At the tip of the Sinai Peninsula, however, at the entrance of the Gulf of Aqaba, the ?mighty waters? of the Red Sea can reach incredible fury and awesome depths.

TRADITIONAL MOUNT SINAI: Having visited the traditional Mount Sinai in the southern Sinai Peninsula, I have seen first hand that the only place the Israelites could possibly have camped was a small, flat valley area adjacent to the mountain, allowing for only about one square yard per person (assuming that roughly 2 million people were involved in the Exodus). And despite extensive archeological investigation throughout the region, nothing has ever been found that can conclusively be tied to the Exodus of the Hebrews from Egypt - or can even argue for a large population of people ever occupying the area.

UNDERWATER LAND BRIDGE: Following a theory that the route of the Exodus actually took the Hebrews past (not through) the bitter Lakes and then southward along the west coast of the Sinai Peninsula, we traveled to the tip of the Sinai and explored the underwater topography (bathymetry) of the Strait of Tiran, where the Gulf of Aqaba is narrowest between the Sinai Peninsula and Saudi Arabia. There we found that an underwater land bridge exists that today is so problematic for shipping that two separate routes or ?lanes? are designated for northbound and southbound ships to pass through. Further correlation of the Bible?s account of the route of the Exodus causes us to realize that this unusual submarine formation may well have been trod by the Hebrews themselves.

BITTER SPRINGS OF MARAH: Exploring the further possibility that the Israelites passed through the waters of the Red Sea at the Strait of Tiran, we picked up our search for landmarks on the Saudi Arabia side of the Gulf of Aqaba. There we started at the coastline on the eastern side of the Strait of Tiran and traveled the most natural route approximately 30 kilometers inland to a group of springs, where the water in some of the springs was terribly bitter. Exodus 15:22-23 tells us, ?So Moses brought Israel from the Red Sea; then they went out into the wilderness of Shur. And they went three days in the wilderness and found no water. Now when they came to Marah, they could not drink the waters of Marah, for they were bitter.?

THE 70 PALMS AND 12 SPRINGS OF ELIM: As we traveled generally toward Jabal al Lawz (the Saudi Arabian mountain that is held by generations of Bedouins to be the mountain of Moses), we next encountered a group of clear water springs, with a grove of palm trees adjacent to them. We marveled at the description in Exodus 15:27: ?Then they came to Elim, where there were twelve wells of water and seventy palm trees; so they camped there by the waters.?

CAVES OF MOSES: While at the springs, we discovered that some nearby caves were being excavated by Saudi archaeologists. A worker at the site said that writings found in the caves indicated that the prophet Musa (Moses) had come through this area with his nation of Hebrews.

CHARRED PEAK AND MELTED ROCK: Continuing to Jabal al Lawz, and after a great deal of maneuvering to gain access to the mountain, we found the top of the mountain to be thoroughly blackened, as if the rocks had been severely scorched from without. When we broke open the rocks, we found that they were actually granite rocks with a blackened ?rind? and an untouched core of pure granite inside. We had already read in Exodus 19:18, ?Now Mount Sinai was completely in smoke, because the Lord descended upon it in fire . . . .?

BOUNDARY MARKERS: As we explored further around the base of the mountain, we discovered large piles of rocks arranged in a semicircle around the front of the mountain, spaced about every 400 yards. Measuring about five feet high and 20 feet across, these piles could be the boundary markers set up by Moses, as he had been instructed by God: ?. . . You warned us saying, ?set bounds around the mountain and consecrate it?? (Exodus 19:23).

GOLDEN CALF ALTAR: In a flat area at the base of the mountain we also discovered that large boulders had been placed together, creating an altar-like formation 30 feet tall and 30 feet across - quite possibly the altar where the golden calf was set up and worshiped by God?s disobedient people. On the rocks were etched ancient drawings of a bull god, as described in Exodus 32:4, where Aaron ?. . . received the gold from the hand, and he fashioned it with an engraving tool, and made a molded calf.?

GOLDEN CALF ALTAR: In a flat area at the base of the mountain we also discovered that large boulders had been placed together, creating an altar-like formation 30 feet tall and 30 feet across - quite possibly the altar where the golden calf was set up and worshiped by God?s disobedient people. On the rocks were etched ancient drawings of a bull god, as described in Exodus 32:4, where Aaron ?. . . received the gold from the hand, and he fashioned it with an engraving tool, and made a molded calf.?

MOSES' ALTAR and the 12 PILLARS: At the foot of the mountain we found a V-shaped altar, with each arm approximately 60 feet long and 20 feet wide. Next to it were several toppled pillars in sections measuring about 22 inches in diameter and 20 inches in length. Exodus 24:4 records that Moses ?. . . built an altar at the foot of the mountain, and twelve pillars according to the twelve tribes of Israel.?

SPLIT ROCK AT HOREB: (Full credit for verification and documentation of the split rock at Horeb goes to Jim and Penny Caldwell, who conducted their research while living in Saudi Arabia.) One of the most startling discoveries at Jabal al Lawz was a massive, prominent, split rock on the west side of Jabal al Lawz, which showed evidence of gushing water from within - jagged rocks that had been smoothed off by an abundant flow of water. Exodus 17:6 records God?s instructions to Moses when the Israelites were dying of thirst in the wilderness: ?Behold, I will stand before you there on the rock in Horeb; and you shall strike the rock, and water will come out of it, that the people may drink.?

CAVE OF ELIJAH: High on the mountain was a cave by which Elijah may have stood to hear God?s voice, as described in 1 Kings 19:18b, 13b: ?. . . and he went . . . as far as Horeb, the mountain of God . . . . and he went out and stood in the entrance of the cave . . . .?
This expedition yielded the first of a wealth of compelling new evidence, to suggest that the Strait of Tiran on the Gulf of Aqaba was the crossing point for the route of the Exodus, and that Jabal al Lawz in Saudi Arabia is the true Mount Sinai.
The real significance in all this is that the Bible again has apparently been shown to be true, reliable, and accurate, down to the smallest historical detail. Critics who claim that the Bible does not coincide with known history and geography are again shown to be wrong once the physical evidence begins to surface. The account in the Bible is true, and the implications are incredible.
God descended on Mount Sinai in flames like a furnace. He spoke to Moses and gave him the Ten Commandments as the laws for the life of Israel. He communicated His love and mercy through the laws for sacrifice and atonement. And though we are unworthy, He gave us the opportunity to enter into a personal, caring relationship with the Eternal Father.
The exploits of the BASE Institute team may sound like a treasure hunt to others, but a more important adventure awaits those who would seek out the treasures of the Word of God. The Bible reveals His plan for reconciliation - and the most important discovery any of us can ever make is how to begin a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. This is the best adventure.
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