Why muslims can/do not read and follow their own holy book Bible(Torah, Jabur, Injil)
Bible is supposed to be Muslim's own holy book. but in reality Muhammad the founder of Islam actually is not the prophet from the same God who sent lots of prophets in Israel mentioned in Old and new testament. Why? because he though indirectly straightaway reject the words of all prophets who prophesied about the Massiah and the Massiah being the savior etc, the Massiah(Jesus) came, fulfilled all prophecies including his birth time, place, persecution etc about more than 300 prophecies. Jesus demonstrated explicitly that he is the son of God (spiritual son of God), precisely God himself who came in flesh to give himself as sacrifice to demonstrate his love for his creation. Jesus also apparently warned us many times that false prophets will come and deceive many which Muhammad fulfilled 600 yrs after.
No prophet of Bible contradicted to each other, they all were consistent, but this one man founded a religion although gave too much respect for Jesus and all, but rejected and mocked Christianity and all (true)prophets. The doctrine of Christianity is ----> that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures (1 Corinthian 15) - but Muhammad totally rejected this historical fact of Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection.
1 John 2:22 clearly says the one who denies the son and father and that Jesus is the anti-Christ. Means the spirit which proclaims the negative and denies these doctrine is anti-Christ, it was as a prophecy. And Muhammad denies this in Surah 9:30. The source, spirit of islam is anti-christ. Islamic doctrine is for deceiving the people so that they could never get salvation by accepting Jesus our Lord, since it already affirm him as a mere prophet as the old prophets by rejecting all his teachings in Bible.
Now which book should be reliable to know Jesus Christ? New Testament which is written by so many diff authors who were disciples of Jesus, who lived with him. Or Koran which was taught 600 yrs after Jesus, way away from Israel, in the deserts.
Interestingly Koran throughout affirms the Bible so many times, it even says it has come to confirm the previous scripture (Bible) and says all revelation are equal for Allah. - after many years of muhamad's death, the Arabs recognized that the Bible goes totally against Koran, fundamentally, theologically, morality, historically. - Hence they had no other way to escape this great dilemma, thus they started various claims that whole Bible is corrupted, changed by human and allah could not save it from getting changed but he only saves Koran, and some says the New Testament got lost somewhere .
Muslims need to know all these truth ,since Bible is supposed to be their own holy book which they avoid deliberately.
Source(s):
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/suicide.htm
muhammad's suicide attempts- this will make more clear how the source of his revelation was the Satan himself who introduced himself as Angel Gabriel of Biblical God.
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another important references from koran where it claims that allah doesnt differentiate with any of his revelations (Bible or koran), and the verses where it affirm and confirm the Bible
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/bible.htm
Muslims, I have no big problem for your deliberately being ignorant, but the fact is whether you are fine in living a life of self-denial ,self deception?.
I ask you straight question; when your koran itself claim that all revelations are equal, hence your allah must have protected Bible too from getting changed by men. Hence its not changed, secondly- When koran itself call you to treat Bible equal to koran, then you can not reject the facts written in Bible, be it OT or NT, you can not escape this bitter dilemma of your life. That your supposed to believe in Bible and Jesus too, but actually they go opposite to your religion.
@M Javed Iqbal and others.
so if you believe Bible is altered, changed then do you honestly admit that if its true then your god allah failed to protect it, and broke his promise that he protects his revelation?.
@I s l a m ?
I will not entertain such fanatic like you, so you mean your hadiths are false, how many of them would you reject to escape from truth?, he did not attempted suicide? huh. and muhamad only fulfilled the prophecies of false prophet that Jesus made. Secondly come out of your ignorance that muhamad's name is mentioned in Bible. grow up, leave this deception.
Observe how muslims keep on deliberately finding reference of muhamad in Bible, even after continuously claiming that Bible is changed, altered etc LOL , We cant expect sense from them? why not even one talk sense?- muslims your deceiving yourself. I hope some honest muslim get benefit by reading the details and facts of their religion
Because obviously the devil knows the bible alto ..... he isn't going to be directly opposing Christ otherwise everyone would be able to spot the Antichrist. so his way of deceiving is to create a religion that is in complete denial of the truth, he tries to link them together but it will be contradiction to the The Bible ..... the Bible says he will deceive many through miracles...even causing fire to fall from the sky...the time is coming ...... these are ways that the devil will use to deceive even Christian's
I haven't found many Muslims who even read their own Quran. They definitely do not believe the words of their Quran that claim the previous scriptures are guidance and light and the word of their God that can't be changed.
It is absolutely impossible to be a Muslim and believe in the Quran or Torah or Psalms or Gospel.. they tend to believe their Dene not their god.
Lol gee..EEEOee two bellow me are glowing examples.
Edit to Islam and M. Javed.
Show me your original Quran.
What would we consider the original Quran? Uthman Qurans? Let's deal with this.
When Muhammad died there was not one single codex of the Quran.
What we know existed of the Quran were leaves and animal bones, found under his bed and of course the fantastic memories of Muslims who memorized parts of the Quran.
Now if this is true... You don't at this time have the complete word of God from a prophet of God. What you might have at this point in time is a complete Quran written on bones and leafs... but you don't.. no one claimed these writings were the complete Quran. Ayesha even tells parts of them parts were eaten by a goat.
Sunan Ibn Majah, Book of Nikah, Hadith # 1934)
Narrated Aisha 'The verse of stoning and of suckling an adult ten times were revealed, and they were (written) on a paper and kept
under my bed. When the Messenger of Allah (SAWW.) expired and we were preoccupied with his death, a goat entered and ate away the paper."
Now we need to depend on the memories of Muslims.. not prophets.. Muslims.
So we have various people using the memories of common men, writings that are incomplete and most likely much of it not readable.
Now if this was not bad enough.. we have hadiths telling us many memorizers died in battle.
Zuhri reports, 'We have heard that many Qur'an passages were revealed but that those who had memorised them fell in the Yemama fighting. Those passages had not been written down, and following the deaths of those who knew them, were no longer known;
(John Burton, The Collection of the Qur'an, pp. 126-127, Abu Bakr `Abdullah b. abi Da'ud, Kitab al-Masahif?, ed. A. Jeffery, Cairo, 1936/1355, p. 23;
Many (of the passages) of the Qur'an that were sent down were known by those who died on the day of Yamama ... but they were not known (by those who) survived them, nor were they written down, nor had Abu Bakr, Umar or Uthman (by that time) collected the Qur'an, nor were they found with even one (person) after them." (Ibn Abi Dawud, Kitab al-Masahif, p. 23).
Many memorizers forgot parts of the Quran. Many memorizers disagree on what Muhammad said.. whoops.. we even have quotes of Muhammad saying he forgot ayats himself.
Narrated Aisha: The Prophet heard a man reciting the Qur'an in the mosque and said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such a Surah." (Bukhari: volume 6, book 61, number 556, Khan)
Narrated Abdullah ibn Mas'ud: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) offered prayer. The version of the narrator Ibrahim goes: I do not know whether he increased or decreased (the rak'ahs of prayer).
When he gave the salutation, he was asked: Has something new happened in the prayer, Apostle of Allah? He said: What is it? They said: You prayed so many and so many (rak'ahs). He then relented his foot and faced the Qiblah and made two prostrations. He then gave the salutation. When he turned away (finished the prayer), he turned his face to us and said: Had anything new happened in prayer, I would have informed you. I am only a human being and I forget just as you do; so when I forget, remind me, and when any of you is in doubt about his prayer he should aim at what is correct, and complete his prayer in that respect, then give the salutation and afterwards made two prostrations. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 3, Number 1015)
Now from this we need to piece together a legitimate Quran.
Narrated Zaid bin Thabit Al-Ansari:
I said to both of them, "How dare you do a thing WHICH THE PROPHET HAS NOT DONE?"
But of course that does not stop them or him.
So we end up with not one... but six Quran codexes.
That's right six codexes.. but okay since this is protected by Allah they surely would be complete ... or at least they would agree... right?
Wrong. Uthman orders all these Qurans and compiles one book... and burns the evidence that there was ever another... that's six Qurans.. very good we now have the birth of the Zayed/Uthman Quran.
Unfortuantely, not all of the compilers agreed with this event...but who cares right?
Some things were left out.. they did not agree they argued.. who cares right?.. at least we have a book.
When Uthman sent out the order that all codices of the Quran other than the codex of Zayd should be destroyed Ibn Mas?ud refused to handover his copy.
Abdullah ibn Mas'ud said, "I recited from the messenger of Allah (saw) seventy surahs which I had perfected before Zaid ibn Thabit had embraced Islam". (Ibn Abi Dawud, Kitab al-Masahif, p.17). "I acquired directly from the messenger of Allah (saw) seventy surahs when Zaid was still a childish youth - must I now forsake what I acquired directly from the messenger of Allah?" (Ibn Abi Dawud, Kitab al-Masahif, p.15).
"The people have been guilty of deceit in the reading of the Qur'an. I like it better to read according to the recitation of him (Prophet) whom I love more than that of Zayd Ibn Thabit. By Him besides Whom there is no god! I learnt more than seventy surahs from the lips of the Apostle of Allah, may Allah bless him, while Zayd Ibn Thabit was a youth, having two locks and playing with the youth". (Ibn Sa'd, Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, Vol. 2, p.444).
Dashti argued, the Quranic text of Ibn Masud was not even consulted while compiling the Zayd?s version of Quran. There were numerous differences of reading between the texts of Zayd and that of Ibn Masud. In Ibn Dawud?s Kitab al-Masahif they fill up no less than nineteen pages and there are at least 101 variants in the suratul-Baqarah alone.
Now this book is surely going to be preserved because, these are not foolish Christians and Jews.. who apparently didnt care about God's word... these were mighty Muslims.
Right? Wrong again. Where is this original Uthman Quran?
Even after all of this incredible insanity... do we have an original Uthman Quran? Uhm.. no.
Sure we can say.. look here in Tashkent, Uzbekistan Uthman's Quran and look it still has Uthman's blood on it.
Now should we believe this... uhm.. no.. not quite.. there are many problems with this story too.
Not verifiable. This Quran is not even a complete Quran.. it is appoximately one third of a Quran.. gee if this is an orignal Quran we have as big a problem as "a goat ate parts of it".
Now how about the age of this incomplete document? Muslims refuse dating.. it might hurt the holy document that has been protected by Allah of course.
Now how about the fact the document is written in kufic script? Well scholars have said kufic script did not exist until late 8th century.. wait some Muslims will disagree and state kufic script was before Kufa.. okay.. well we do know that kufic script evolved from other writings so.. there would be similiar writings existing before kufic script right?
Okay maybe.. so that's the best we can do to prove an authentic original Quran... we might have a incomplete Uthman Quran.. again might, even through the evidence seems to show otherwise.
So what if this Quran is an original Uthman?.. can we compare the Quran you are reading to be sure that it is not changed..at least since the late 8th century? Well no not exactly.. the text is only one third of a Quran.
So I completely understand that after hearing this forever you might actually believe you have a verifiable authentic Quran in agreement with the prophet Muhammad.
But for me, I don't even know how you would know Muhammad himself ever had anything resembling a complete Quran. I seriously doubt he ever did and if he did, we know for a historical fact no one else ever did.
Is this the results of Allah's incredible protection? Don't you find it the least bit interesting after years of Muslims preaching an orignal Quran.. this is the best they have? Especially since there are intact Bibles.. that predate Muhammad himself by hundreds of years.. you know that corrupt Bible.. that Allah would not protect.. is better protected than the Quran.
How many complete text of the Bible are older than this Quran.. one? two? One hundred?
24,800 ... interesting .. Allah protected 24,000 Bibles older than Muhammad..and yet not one Quran since the time of Muhammad.
That Allah sure is excellent at protecting that Quran.. he should have given it to a Jew or a Christian huh?
Lol, if you say the Bible is the book of God, Muhammad came YEARS after Jesus, and when the Bible was given to Jesus, how can it have Muhammad's name in it if he wasn't born?
LMFAO. What a fail.
It clearly shows that you're bible has been edited and it is corrupt.
Everytime the religion was changed, God sent down another prophet.
And Jesus was our Prophet too.
After Jesus time came to go to Heaven, so he could be saved from the cross(this explains his coming return, because once a person dies, its his time and he cannot be resurrected)
People started to write other Bibles, and this explains the 18 bibles you guys have today.
And Allah saw this, then chose a new Prophet.
Muhammad SAW.
Since the Bible has a few statements by god, and the others were edited by men, god sent down the Quran.
And this explains your answer.
We do believe that Jesus was alive and stuff, but the Bible was corrupt because people kept editing it.. and yeah
Plus, the Quran is still in the same text that EVERY house contains today.
Oh, and since Muhammad was the last prophet.. I think it's a warning of the end times, that's what I think.
AND LMFAO, the PROPHET NEVEREVERNEVEREVER committed suicide, or even attempted.
Don't follow that lying site.
IslamQA << Search on go ogle, that's a better site. :]
Unless you have an Original, unaltered scripture it is you sheer words which
have no proof. Quran confirms what is still true in bible and rejects the later
alterations. There is NO prediction in any earlier scriptures that son of God
will come to world of God Himself will come in flesh. It is illogical, unnecessary
and impossible. It is evil pagan influence on Christianity from Greeks and
Romans.
No we do not believe what the Bible says, only what the Gospel says. Bible is written by man, Gospel by angels. Why would we read something that is pr oven to have been tempered with?Prophet Muhammad (pub) never said anything bad about previous Prophets, you are making up lies. The only reason that the Holy Koran was sent to us, is because the other books were tempered and no longer an original word of God. It wasn't sent only to Muhammad, but the entire civilization. Perhaps you need to get your facts straight before you post lies.
For the ignorant person who said Mohammad's (pub) name was not in the Bible, read the old testament and you will find God's promise of sending another Prophet.
you are making false assumptions!!!
"Muhammad the founder of Islam actually is not the prophet from the same God who sent lots of prophets in Israel mentioned in Old and new testament."
that is not true
http://www.islamtomorrow.com/converts/rev_david_benjamin.asp
Islam= Submission to God/ Allah
I s l a m, I feel you have no place to speak with such ignorance. I have read the New Testament and in no where AT ALL is Mohammed spoken of. Secondly, you clearly don't know anything of even the gospels and christian theology because the Bible was never handed down to Jesus. The Bible was written with inspiration of the Holy Spirit by some of the disciples of Christ.
Going back to the first.
1) If you are referring to the counselor that is refereed to in the NT, like the vast majority of Muslims, that is a very ignorant thing to say. Specially, how can you affirm that if you clearly do not know anything about the Bible because of your accusations? The counselor is the Holy Spirit, if you do not wish to believe me do some investigation. There are numerous references ALL THROUGHOUT THE NEW TESTAMENT which clearly give an indication, without a reason of a doubt, that the counselor is the holy spirit. This has a lot to do with Christian theology, the importance of the Holy Spirit in all that believe in him. ATM I can't give you direct quotations that CLEARLY defend the christian view point, but if you would like (which you sued, since you as a Muslim should read the Injil) I will give you very direct quotations. Lol, he even told the disciples that it was important he leave them NOW, because THEY needed the counselor to SAVE THE CURRENT and FUTURE people, and even themselves from the old covalent! It even helped them baptize and do the miracles!
2) Some people think "The Gospel of Thomas" a coptic book forged in the 14th century is a clear referance to mohammed. First, the book was written in Italian, a language that did not exist in the time of the disciples, but rather used even after mohammed was on the earth. Many things in that gospel contradict themselves and there referances to historical events are completley false, for example they say some type of currency was used at the time, and that currency did not exist until 400 a.d, etc, they say Jesus KILLED A BOY BECAUSE THE BOY ACCIDENTLEY BUMPED INTO HIM, lol? Are you serious? As a Christian this is unacceptable, but if as a muslim you want to believe this as a true gospel, then no wonder there is something seriously wrong with your doctrines because then your "prophet jesus" was a murderer, and God did not have a problem with this.
It's amazing how they don't read the Bible which is commanded to them, but they do have fun reading the coptic forgeries un inspired by God.
We Muslims believe in Injil, the "bible" given to God's messenger, Isa (Jesus).
Now tell me, which one of your gospel or bible was of Jesus himself?
I suppose you are aware that your bible is a collection of scriptures, and those scriptures were written by different people, and beside those there are many scriptures that aren't included because they aren't considered "divinely inspired."
I suppose you are also aware that the bible has been transliterated from other language. Have you done much translating yourself, you should know that even the best translators can't translate with 100% accuracy.
Not to mention that religious texts contain many secrets and metaphors that are very hard to decipher, if not impossible.
And yet after all that you expect your bible transliteration to be reliable.
Read history, the time when your bible was canonized was a time where they had many Christian sects (not that you don't have it now), and the strongest ones was the ones who decided the bible you have now.
I don't know much about Torah.
EDIT: God didn't fail in anything. God took the Injil of Jesus from you. What left is not Injil, but something that you call the bible.
It is heartbreaking to see how many people are deceived by the spirit of the Antichrist (Islam).
Edit: as an afterthought I decided to point out that although it is part of the spirit of the Antichrist, it is only one part of many. There are so many false doctrines that promote hatred and reject Jesus as being the Son of God.
You only have to look in the news every day to see the persecution and suffering that Islam causes, it is not a good path to follow.
Umm....sorry, loads to read, couldn't finish.
But the Muslim holy book is called the 'Quran'.
I'm not sure what you re exactly talking about, but Muslims and Christan's believe in different things- in Islam, God sent Muhammad as a prophet.
Why muslims can/do not read and follow their own holy book Bible(Torah, Jabur, Injil)
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why not even one talk sense?- muslims your deceiving yourself. I hope some honest muslim get benefit by reading the details and facts of their religion
