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Old 07-17-2010, 02:52 AM
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Default Is Jesus spoke about in the Talmud?

I want to make it clear that I am not an anti Semite here, I really dint care if it really is, or what is said. I dint some make it such a big deal, why do we have to all love the same prophets for? I just want to know for reference and because I know 60 or so percent of what I hear about the Talmud is false or malicious mistranslations. But since I cant real Hebrew, I am asking in hoping a real Jewish person will clear up this issue for me.
I know most of what I have heard is total BS some some is credible. Specifily, I think there was a story about a guy named Yeishu being hung or killed for sorcery or something on the eve of passover, around 100 years before the bibles Christ. is that true
Yeah If that really is Jesus then It destroys Christianity
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Old 07-21-2010, 02:52 AM
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answer: No, Jesus isn't spoken of in the Talmud. There was a Yeshua that was stoned to death for blasphemy and his body was impaled on a stake and then hung on a tree (I believe - either hung or impaled or both). That dates 100-200 yrs prior to the destruction of the second Temple.

I doubt Christians want to claim that Yeshua.

You're right, the majority of what you read about the Talmud, especially on websites is false.

One accusation is that Jews are allowed to cheat non-Jews. That's not true - in 1807 Napoleon determined that Jewish law forbade deceptiveness in business dealings with non-Jews and it outlawed usurious interest rates.
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Old 07-25-2010, 02:52 AM
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I am almost certain that I read he is, but it could be the same as the first answerer mentioned that I am thinking of.
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Old 07-28-2010, 02:52 AM
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No, Jesus is not referenced in either of the Talmuds

~There IS a fleeting mention of a man named Yeshu; remember, it was a very common name. But the date is wrong; it's about a century out!

Jesus isn't mentioned in any Jewish texts, in fact.

http://ajewwithaview.blogspot.com
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Old 07-30-2010, 02:52 AM
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No the references are to a common name & the stories often used to declare of him, date way before & after the time of Jesus & the facts don't match.

What is later mentioned is "Chrsitianity itself" & within that I think there were references to Jesus. However, 1. that stuff was taken out by Jews when they were forced to by Christian churches/leadership. 2. Current Christian scholars state that the references are -not- directly about Jesus & don't prove his existence in any way. They are not contemporary & do not reinforce any of the NT story. Rather, they are about Christianity as it was forming later on & obviously Jesus is a part of that topic. They aren't the kindest about it & poke fun quite a bit with pretty much the same concepts Judaism now holds on why the concepts didn't make sense in Judaism. (Though we don't try to poke fun, but they were writing for themselves in a different time period.)

I'm not remembering the name at the moment of the Christian scholar & his book. Someone here pointed it out to me but insisted it proved what it didn't. The Jewish scholar is Ruth Langer, but it was reviews of a book written by the Christian scholar Peter ?. (I'm adding this in case it helps with go ogling-- I'll look through my bookmarks when I have access to them later.)

I'm citing information Dr. Langer emailed to me when I asked about this. (She wrote me this great, crisp email, but my in box zapped itself before I saved it .)

Because text was removed, the references to it are all in archaeological historic scripts.

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On another angle, there is another theory that Jesus is a composite of the prior Talmud stories with details changed. There's even some recent archaeological evidence to that effect (a stone found with generic reference to a messiah concept.) I'll see if I can find those links too.

This may well be what you'd find interesting...

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Beyond that Judaism really don't have a refer to Jesus, & it's not relevant to our messiah concept which is just human being like Moses who does great things like bring peace to the world with the help of God. It has nothing to do Wit salvation, sin, or human-God sacrifice...all of which contradict heavily with Judaism.

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EDIT - here are links:

Here's the link on alternative Jesus story. Scroll down to get the details to:
"Although modern Christians claim that Christianity only started in the first century C.E., it is clear that the first century Christians in Israel considered themselves to be a continuation of the Notzri movement which had been in existence for about 150 years. "
http://mama.indstate.edu/users/nizrael/jesusrefutation.html

Also this section:
"Where did the story that Jesus was crucified come from?"

And to Jewish folks this will be very interesting:
"Many of the Pessach customs were designed as Jewish alternatives to pagan customs. The pagans believed that when their nature god (such as Tammuz, Osiris or Attis) died and was resurrected, his life went into the plants used by man as food. The matza made from the spring harvest was his new body and the wine from the grapes was his new blood. In Judaism, matza, was not used to represent the body of a god but the poor man's bread which the Jews ate before leaving Egypt. The pagans used the paschal sacrifice to represent the sacrifice of a god or his only son, but Judaism used it to represent the meal eaten before leaving Egypt. Instead of telling stories about Baal sacrificing his first born son to Mavet, the Jews told how mal'ach ha-mavet (the angel of death) slew the first born sons of the Egyptians. The pagans ate eggs to represent the resurrection and rebirth of their nature god, but the egg on the seder plate represents the rebirth of the Jewish people escaping captivity in Egypt. When the early Christians noticed the similarities between Pessach customs and pagan customs, they came full circle ..."
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Old 07-31-2010, 02:52 AM
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Nope- Jesus is not spoken about in the Torah. Generaly people search for anything they can reinterpret or misinterpret to try and point to him. One of the funnier examples of this is to claim that references to Bilaam in the Talmud are actually code for Jesus. Right- Jews wouldn't discuss someone mentioned in the Torah (Bilaam) but would only use his name to refer to someone completely irrelevant to us and who is completely ignored by us...

As for the story of Yeshu and his five disciples that were hung (not crucified)- it bears no resemblance to the story of Jesus.
1) It take splice around 100 years before the time Jesus is said to have existed
2) there are five disciples, not 12
3) the disciples are all sentenced to death by the Sanehdrin- each of them trying to bring Torah verses to show they cannot be executed, and the sages countering them.
4) they were hung, not crucified.

So if the Christians want to claim that story and thereby state the Christian scriptures are lying- hey, they're only hurting themselves!
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