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Old 07-31-2010, 05:23 AM
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Default Why do Mormons claim you need permission from their founder Joseph Smith to enter hea

http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/sermons_talks_interviews/jofdvol7p282_291smithholdskeystoheaven.htm
"namely, that no man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith."
"From the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding-up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are?I with you and you with me."
" I cannot go there without his consent. He holds the keys of that kingdom for the last dispensation?the keys to rule in the spirit-world; and he rules there triumphantly,"
for he gained full power and a glorious victory over the power of Satan while he was yet in the flesh, and was a martyr to his religion and to the name of Christ, which gives him a most perfect victory in the spirit-world. He reigns there as supreme a being in his sphere, capacity, and calling, as God does in heaven. Many will exclaim?"Oh, that is very disagreeable! It is preposterous! We cannot bear the thought!" But it is true."
http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/sermons_talks_interviews/jofdvol7p282_291smithholdskeystoheaven.htm

the permission to enter heaven is a speech by then Mormon President Brigham Young

it is really something that Mormons deny things their own presidents say, especially Brigham Young
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Old 08-02-2010, 05:23 AM
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Because he can show a backdoor to heaven?
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Old 08-06-2010, 05:23 AM
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Same reason you think you need Jesus' pr emission.
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Old 08-09-2010, 05:23 AM
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The same reason that Baptists think you have to announce your saved to be allowed into heaven. Myths.
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Old 08-11-2010, 05:23 AM
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they need some sort of foundation a god so to speak
Jo's smith is it
has close to god for them much like Jews before he died
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Old 08-15-2010, 05:23 AM
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I found this. It may help clear up the confusion:

Many traditional Christians envision Peter standing at the "pearly gates." They are uncomfortable with the misunderstanding that Brigham Young said Joseph Smith will take Peter's place. The thoughtful reader, however, will search the entire discourse delivered by Brigham Young and see that this is not what he was teaching.

Each dispensation has a prophet at its head. Moses taught in his dispensation that those who looked to the serpent on a pole would live. This was a type (Alma 33:19) or similitude of the Savior. Those who didn't obey Moses and would not look, didn't live. Accepting what Moses said in that dispensation was the "passport" to life.

As Christ said:

Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuser you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? (John 5:45-47)

If they didn't believe in Moses, he wasn't their "passport."
Noah offered "salvation" to those who would join him in the ark. Those who were disobedient and failed to enter the ark were swept off the earth in the flood and ended up in spirit prison (1 Peter 3:20). Again, as the prophet of his dispensation, Noah provided the "passport" for those who accepted the word of God that came through him.

In the meridian of time, those who accepted the apostles and prophets and did not reject the message of Jesus Christ were saved. As the Lord said to the apostles, "He that receiver you receiver me" (Matt. 10:40).

While speaking about our own dispensation, Brigham Young said that people of this dispensation will not enter God's Kingdom without the "consent" and "certificate" of Joseph Smith as a passport to entering where God and Christ are. Brigham Young then explained what he meant: "It is his [Joseph's] mission to see that all the children of men in this last dispensation are saved, that can be, through the redemption" (Journal of Discourses, vol.7, p.289).

The "passport," then, that people will need to enter heaven is the same as they have always needed, no matter what dispensation they lived in. To accept Christ is to accept his prophets: without the priesthood authority and inspired teachings of the Lord that have come through Joseph Smith, no one in this dispensation, living or dead, can be redeemed.

Anti-Mormon critics distort this view, trying to make it appear that Joseph Smith will be standing by the gate of heaven admitting or rejecting those who seek to enter. This is not the picture that is painted by Brigham Young. He was merely stating that the mission of Joseph Smith, God's prophet, was "to see that all the children of men in the last dispensation are saved, that can be through the redemption."

It should be recognized that the Savior is a great delegate. He has delegated to the "head" of each dispensation certain responsibilities, including some preliminary judging responsibilities. For example, in New Testament times the Apostles were told that they will judge the twelve tribes of Israel (Matt 19:28). Literally, then, those of the Twelve Tribes won't "get to Heaven" without the consent of the Apostles.

Latter-day Saints do not believe Joseph Smith is the keeper of the gate of heaven, nor the one who determines whether we are saved. Some Christians think they will instead meet Peter at the "pearly gates," but The Book of Mormon teaches who will really be the final "gatekeeper":

O then, my beloved brethren, come unto the Lord, the Holy One. Remember that his paths are righteous. Behold, the way for man is narrow, but it Letha in a straight course before him, and the keeper of the gate is the Holy One of Israel; and he employer no servant there; and there is none other way save it be by the gate; for he cannot be deceived, for the Lord God is his name (2 Nephi 9:41).
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Old 08-19-2010, 05:23 AM
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Why do people claim that Mormons claim that? The only people I've heard that from are Non-Mormons
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Old 08-23-2010, 05:23 AM
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Idk about that. It leads me to suspicion that a mere mortal, with a last name frequently used as a alias, ripping off the duties of St. Peter has any authorization to grant anything. But people believe what they want.
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Old 08-27-2010, 05:23 AM
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We don't. But thanks for asking.
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Old 08-29-2010, 05:23 AM
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To each his own. You believe what you want and we will believe what we want.
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