LDS - interesting aspects of anti mormonism to you? Examples?
Not asking for rants - but I'm looking to understand more viewpoints on the psychology of anti-LDS.
Mine? I feel they miss the entire point of the religion, ignore the good things or things that would HAVE to be inspired and target the small things like the changing of a word in the beginning of a different version of the book of Mormon.
I see many straw man arguments here as well as the "appeals to belief" arguments here as well as the fallacy of the appeal to ridicule....ridicule has been presented in place of an argument in several comments here...as well as appeals to fear without addressing the issue....many logical and argument fallacies
straw man arguments - taking something that IS LDS, and adding to it their own interpretations and assumptions and passing them off as if their assumptions are the official LDS viewpoint and then discrediting their own assumptive viewpoint while claiming they just discredited the church.
Do you know the Mormon religion was started by a man who was previously arrested for ........FRAUD.
Hmmm I wouldn't mind convincing myself that people are cool when you have a few wives too, but alas reality is hard to ignore for me.
I'm LDS too. Bro just don't worry about the haters. If they want to live their lives they can. If you become involved with anti-LDS you might become too involved with anti-LDS and you'll end up somewhere you didn't want to be.
A guy smarter than me told me that it's often based on their own internal feelings - Cognitive dissonance - or the input that the brain is receiving telling them they are wrong in either what they have done, or what they believe.
A person needs to be right and so they go to great lengths to make themselves right.
Of course most people who leave the church are friendly to it and are inactive or peaceful. But some feel the need to fight against it for "wasting their time" yet spend more time arguing against it than they did learning about it while they were yet members.
I think its odd when people can't find a single good thing about the church. When all of the charitable contributions are worth nothing and all of the people liars. It's a coping mechanism for themselves.
At times I've been told by them to leave the church, come join them and they'll be my support. They seem angry, mean, and full of unresolved issues - that's the last group I'd want to join.
Besides, they would like everyone to think that no man can have a testimony of the gospel. I know that I do, it's personal but real and I cannot nor would I ever want to deny.
It's a sad state to speak of the peace you've found after escaping a horrible Mister, only to dwell on that monster in anger in order to convince yourself that the anger is peace.
EDIT: You mention about the changed word in the Book of Mormon. They don't tell you that they were upset when that phrase was added by Bruce McConkie in the early 80's.
I think it made them so mad because the person who keeps the petty list of how many changes have occur ed had to take one off with that change, since the word that McConkie added 2 decades ago was removed leaving them 1 change less than their websites claim!
i dint get alto of things about Mormons (I'm only one because Ive not yet moved out... I'm 14) like the dating rules should be up to parents and sex rules and movie rules.. people need to stop telling parents what to do.... and i also dint get alto of other things.. i am not Anti-Mormon.. but i am not a Mormon...
I just want to say this is an easy fix. Change the name. Everybody thinks Mormons are wife-beating, child-molesting polygamists. You don't want to be associated with the polygamists cults that are also Mormons and the religion has changed a lot since its invention so just change the name and start enjoying the good reputation you've earned as nice family-oriented Christians.
i think it's interesting how they waste all this time trying to prove us wrong, with they should be worrying about their own religions. building their own testimony instead of trying to tear us down. ha ha
I don't mind if people don't believe the LDS religion, what bothers me is when they don't have any respect for it or others. They are free to choose their life, and I would much rather listen to what they do believe in (even if it isn't LDS) than what they don't believe in.
It's sad that people spend so much time dividing mankind.
well Mormonism goes completely against the Bible in many instances...Jesus not being a God, having many wives, spirit children, the fact that Mormons believe they can become gods after this life for example
I believe the Bible and the truth that faith in Jesus alone and receiving forgiveness of your sins is the only way to heaven.
nightowlscrapbooker that has been tried. What used to be the RLDS (the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) is now called the Community of Christ. The result of a fire-sale of basic beliefs (in order to become more "mainstream") was that a relatively small organization fractured into nearly a dozen pieces.
It seems to me that anyone who feels the need to attack another religion or church or denomination is very insecure in their faith. They feel like God couldn't possibly love anyone who doesn't believe exactly like they do.
And the more virulent they are in their attacks, the more insecure they are.
I would add to what you said, the anti-Mormons add to what we believe, and things that are so far-out or outlandish or whatever, and then ask what they believe is a rhetorical question "How can anyone believe that???" to make it sound like all Mormons are crazy or suffering from mass hysteria or something. Then, when we Mormons try to set the record straight, we get this totally outlandish "Oh, Mormons don't know what they believe". This usually comes from former members. THEY used to be Mormon, so THEY know better than anyone what Mormons believe, right?
I would ht ink that the BEST person to know what Mormons believe is a Mormon! How can I believe something that hasn't been taught in my church?
When I read the stories from ex-Mormons (and I have read plenty, believe me!), I wonder to myself "What church are these people talking about?" Cause it sure doesn't sound like the church I've belonged to for the last 29 years (BTW, I'm not 30 years old, either, I joined the LDS church when I was 21, so you do the math).
For me, I started to disagree wit ht he theology and the garden of Eden story where it seems to glorify disobedience to God and that Satan did Adam and eve a favor by tempting them, I also saw that they do not believe in the trinity, that seemed to tell me that God was a wimp and sent his son to kick Satan's but. Also my patrioticCLeeessing was messed up for real, and the burning in the bosom, I found to be a fraud.
The clear disconnect between what an ti's claim to be what we 'really' believe and the simple truth. To me, it is a clear demonstration of fallen logic/reasoning and/or a willingness to be deceived on their part to justify whatever aspect of their lives was not according to gospel standards.
I am impressed with the intellectualism. They provide well thought out research.
NOT.....
The most interesting thing to me is that, in the outside world the types of things that we put up with in here by people hiding behind an avatar, is considered a "hate crime" in the outside world.
You just don't see a lot of hateful speech about Blacks, Muslims or Jews in here. Out side of here, people go to jail for hate speech and bigoted remarks.
In here, it seems to be allowed by Yahoo Staff, and peace loving Mormons just put up with it.
People like 'History' that get 'top contributor' status and 'Desiree' or 'Steven L' that continually show up with new and multiple accounts is just beyond me, I don't understand it.
These types of people are not only a bad reflection on Yahoo Answers, but when they open their mouths, it is filled with hate and contention.
I can relate to respectful disagreement especially when it come to doctrine, but I just don't see why Yahoo continues to allow bigots to roam their pages.
To be fair, lets say I have a question about the Jewish faith.....Do I ask the Nazis?????
Do I ask the KKK for info on Black Americans?
And why is it that Atheists are telling me what I believe in a "RELIGION" and "SPIRITUALITY" section anyway?
Edit; case in point, look at these posts.
John S and Mike S posting pure hate is UN-called for and Yahoo just lets them continue.
There is no way to fully understand the LDS religion unless you check it out yourself. People do a great disservice to themselves if they take the critics of the Church and use that as their bases for determining whether to investigate the Church.
If The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Days Saints, is the restored Church upon the earth in these last days. Then won't the adversary try to convince people not to investigate it.
Would seems like a good strategy to me if I were Satan.
Their creativity... er lack thereof.
Really, how creative do you have to be to drop one letter... Mormon/moron... ugh!! It just comes across as Soohgrade!
Oh, and their lack of research.
I promise, "We believe in... honoring obeying and sustaining the law," is more powerful than any fool's desire to resurrect a practice whose time is past. (polygamy, anyone??)
The fact that a lot of it is true is what amazes me most. I was raised in the church, served a mission, and I just can't believe in it anymore. Joseph Smith was a money digger, it's a pr oven fact. He believed in magic. Emma Smith told Joseph Smith III that his father would put his face in a hat, look at a stone and that's how he translated the Book of Mormon. THIS IS TRUE. He came from a culture where almost everyone had visions, almost everyone believed that the Indians were Israelites, and a lot of people believed in magic, including Martin Harris and Oliver Cowdery. He LIED about polygamy. THat is a fact. HE LIED. I just don't believe in him anymore.
As a clue to how Mormonism operates, look at all the thumb ups and thumb downs here. Mormon leadership has told Mormons to go to the Internet and do this to people that disagree with them. If some other cult like Jehovas Witnesses were written about, you would not see this paranoid protectiveness and sheer hatred of those that disagree.
If you ever attend any Mormon church services, you will note they "vote" on issues in similar manner in their churches. Nobody dares disagree. They are trying to gang up like this on the Internet in pockets like this but they are losing badly. Creating an image of winning is all they have left and it will fall down too. Even many of the people taking part in this farce will eventually realize what I am saying is true-LDS sustains a VERY high rate of turnover. My best wishes to you that are here playing this game knowing its dishonesty in the back of your mind.
"A person needs to be right and so they go to great lengths to make themselves right."
How funny, I could say that exact same thing about believing Mormons. Your apologists do the most amazing acrobatics to make lies look true and dismiss contradictory evidence.
The arguments against the truth of Mormonism go far beyond "changing of a word in the beginning of a different version of the book of Mormon." If you think people would either leave or not join for trivial things like that, you're very wrong.
This question would be better answered if Mormons would bother to make the distinction between immature idiots who joke about "LSD, Morons, and magic underwear" and those of us who have legitimate arguments and concerns with Mormon history and doctrine. We are not all the same, and we are not all "anti-Mormons."
There is good in the LDS church, however I don't believe there is anything "inspired," and I believe there is an equal amount of bad.
On the flip side, pointing out the flaws of the Mormon church or bringing to surface how they contradict the teaching of Jesus Christ even though they claim to follow him, does not make us haters.
Mormons always make it personal. We Christians point out the flaws of the ire religion and they tell us we hate them. Is this some kind of guilt trip they are trying to put on us. Why should we feel bad for presenting the truth? Shouldn't they feel bad for denying it?
LDS - interesting aspects of anti mormonism to you? Examples?
