Have any artifacts ever been found to prove that the battle really did exist on the hill of Cumorah? Anything? Every battle ever fought in the bible has evidence. What is your evidence? This was suppose to be the greatest civilization to ever live. No evidence whatsoever. Why do you believe this? When did you ever personally accept Jesus as your savior?
I should clarify that every civilization in the Bible has been pr oven. Why not excavate the land to prove that the Mormon religion is correct? I do not hate Mormons, just their religion. If only Mormons can see God, then why not prove it. Surely a dog could dig anywhere where the battle took place and you could find something? A coin, sandal, bone, sword, Armour, chariot wheel, something. Why not dig? That would prove that you were right.
Show me proof of a WORLDWIDE flood over 2000 years ago.
Why do you hate the LDS? They have their beliefs, you have yours. Are you implying Mormons don't do that Jesus thing? They do, they also happen to have a few more beliefs than most other forms of Christianity. I'd say that because fundamentally they accept the doctrine of salvation through Jesus, they're Christians. You might not like that, but too bad. They're your spiritual brothers and sisters. You Christians are so intolerant of even your own kind. How pathetic. You both worship the same god-being.
Are you such an insecure narrow minded twit that you have to tear down Mormonism?
I don't know where the actual battle was fought. There have been many Indian wars in the Americas and few signs of battles. I don't have evidence of Pharoh's army being drowned, either. I accepted Jesus as my savior when I was a teenager, and a member of another Church. I still worship and love Him. I feel I know Him better than I could have before.
I'm amazed people actually look for physical evidence for proof of religion. It makes no sense. There is no evidence of any biblical events that took place. Ever!! Sure, we know where Jeruselum is and some places that events of the bible supposedly took place, but there is no evidence that any of the events ever took place.
All members of christian faiths have personally accepted Jesus as our savior, including Mormons. We are already many steps ahead of you.
Edit: you do not understand archeology or the bible. The bible itself references places that really did exist. That is because the bible was written during that time period. So of course they knew the cities and the groups of people that existed. That doesn't prove anything that the bible teaches really happened. You'll never find any evidence that they took place.
We don't believe that only Mormons can see god. Who have you been listening to?
Joseph Smith never listed what we call the hill Cumorah as Cumorah; but later-on in life seemed to think that Cumorah was in Meso-America. Most of us believe it to be a hill in Yucatan where evidence of a massive battle is in abundance.
Cumorah is a high hill in a land of many waters; that doesn't fit Palmyra, it does fit Yucatan and there is evidence there.
Joseph Smith changed his mind about where the battle could have taken place and described a hill different than Cumorah - that doesn't sound like a brilliant story-teller but someone going through the same learning curve as others.
P.S. Moses lead 2,000,000 children of Israel out of Egypt and wandered in the desert for 40 years. There is no solid evidence of this.
King David's name was found on a single shard of pottery, prior to that there was no evidence of David existing. The shard of pottery that said "royal house of David" is now proved to be a fake.
No, because no battle was fought on the Hill Cumorah in New York. The "Hill Cumorah" where Joseph Smith found the plates is NOT the Hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon. It was a different hill. We don't know where the REAL Hill Cumorah is.
EDIT: Where's the archaeological evidence that Hebrews ever lived in Egypt, or that they crossed the Red Sea, or of the plagues of Egypt? I believe those things like any other Christian...but my faith does not require physical evidence...does yours?
We really aren't sure where the hill Cumorah is. There is other evidence though.
1. The Mayans had stone boxes, like the Book of Mormon was found in.
2. Mesoamericans had advanced written languages, some of which appear to be in Book of Mormon script.
3. Archaeology supports that millions of people lived in MesoAmerica - as the Book of Mormon suggests.
4. Archaeology supports the timetable that the Book of Mormon suggests. The Olmecs abandoned their cites at the same time as the Jaredites (400 BC).
5. The Olmecs built cities of cement, as did the Jaredites.
6. The system of weights and measures detailed in the Book of Mormon is still in use today.
7. The Book of Mormon says that there were towers throughout the land. It also talks of temples, palaces, and thrones. This is supported by archeology.
8. The Book of Mormon says that they had silk, barley, and copper, silver and gold. All have been found.
9. The Book of Mormon talks of a great earthquake that occurred at the death of Christ, and cities buried beneath the sea. A massive earthquake and volcanic eruption hit the Maya Highlands about 2000 years ago, according to anthropologists. Cities have been found ?buried? in the ocean off the coast of Belize. There is also a legend of three days of darkness after the earthquake, when no fire could be lit, also in harmony with the scripture.
10. The Book of Mormon talks about swords that can be stained with blood. The Mayan had wooden swords. Wooden swords do get stained with blood.
11. The geography of the Book of Mormon matches Mesoamerica - this includes hundreds of geographic details.
12. The Book of Mormon talks about going to a mountain to prepare weapons for war. It turns out that they used obsidian for sharp edges, and there were only two sources - both in the mountains.
13. Hebrew and Semitic language elements have been found among the Maya. The Popul Voh has Semitic elements.
14. Geneologies of the Maya include Jawbone who came by boat with his family. The Hebrew word for Jawbone is Lehi, the prophet in the Book of Mormon who came to Mesoamerica about 580 BC.
15. The Mayans knew about the great flood and the Tower of Babel. They even suggest that the Tower of Babel was being built as a place of refuge from further flooding.
16. The Book of Mormon mentions horses. Recent finds include the bones of horses that pre-date Columbus.
17. The Book of Mormon suggests the vast majority of the genetic heritage would have come from the Jaredites, and the families that came with them. This cannot be refuted by genetic sampling, as we don?t know what their genetic makeup would even look like.
18. The Book of Mormon uses the phrase ?river of water?. This is unnatural for anyone in the Western Hemisphere, but normal from a middle-Eastern perspective, where many rivers are wadis, or dry rivers.
19. The Book of Mormon contains many examples of chiasmus, a Hebrew literary device virtually unknown at the time of Joseph Smith.
20. The Book of Mormon contains examples of Topos lists, another ancient literary device.
21. Odd names like Lehi, Nephi, and Sam are found among the Arabians of Lehi?s day, as they are today.
22. Lehi?s journey through the Arabian desert is described in detail in the Book of Mormon, and the same places have been found by modern archaeologists. Some of the place names still exist, like NHM, or Nahom.
23. Many cities in the Book of Mormon were fortified with balustrades, moats, and walls. These have been found in Mesoamerican cities.
24. Chickens are mentioned in the Book of Mormon. Chickens were not thought to have existed in Mesoamerica until last year, when their bones were discovered at an archaeological dig.
25. Lehi named the site, where they buried Ishmael, Nahom, which in Hebrew means place of peace. This is an appropriate name for a resting place.
26. A large stone has been found which details the kings and wars of the Olmecs going back several generations. A similar stone was found by the people of Nephi, which recorded the kings and wars of the Jaredites.
27. Three miracles found in the Book of Mormon are without precedent in the Christian bible, but are found in the history of a Christian town that once existed in the Arabian pennisula, as recorded by muslims. They are the dodging of arrows, the speaking of a baby, and the inability of the wicked to stand in a confrontation with the servant of God.
28. An Arabian town called Dedan, through which Lehi probably passed on his way the sea, started calling themselves Lihiites at about time that Lehi passed through.
29. The three wise men, who probably came from southern Arabia, knew about the birth of the savior. Lehi prophecied about the birth of the Savior while he was still in Arabia, and gave the date of his coming. Frankenscense and Myrrth are both products that come exclusively from trees in southern Arabia.
30. Many examples of ancient script on metal plates have been found.
31. A tapestry hanging in the Museum of Anthropogy in Mexico City shows a man holding a spherical object going from place to place followed by the people who came with him out of the ocean. The device resembles the Liahona in the Book of Mormon, which was used to lead the people of Lehi from place to place. Liahona translates to compass or director. The device in the Mayan tapestry is known as the Giron Gagal which translates to compass or director.
32. Place names ending with ha or hah, in the Book of Mormon, are found near water. The Mayans also used this convention.
33. The Book of Mormon tells of the Jaredites and Nephites having steel. Traditionally, according to biblical usage, steel is a copper alloy, ususally bronze or brass. The word steel means hard, or durable. Bronze and brass were hard and durable metals. Hardened copper alloys have been found among the Mayans and Olmecs.
34. The Book of Mormon tells of the Nephites using iron. Tons of iron implements have been found.
35. The Book of Mormon tells of 14 stones that were touched by the finger of God to give light to the Jaredite ships. Jewish tradition holds that Noah?s ark was also lit by glowing stones.
36. The Book of Mormon describes populations well beyond what Lehi and his children could sired. Archaeology confirms that there were many people living in Mesoamerica when Lehi arrived.
37. Both light skinned and dark skinned people are described in the Book of Mormon, and they had many wars between them. Many murals among the Mayan ruins show warfare between dark and fair skinned people.
38. During the earthquake, new lakes appeared. Lake Ilopango in El Salvador is one such lake that scientists have dated to the time of Christ.
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