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Old 07-03-2010, 11:48 AM
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Default Does Mormonism pass the bible test of authenticity in your estimation?

God provided a three-part test to use for determining if a person or revelation is truly from Him. When attempting to
determine if a person or religion truly speaks for God, the first question we must ask is, ?Does the person or religion
teach a different God than the God of the Bible?? (Deuteronomy 13:1-5). Second, we must ask, ?Has the person or
religion given any revelations which failed?? (Deuteronomy 18:20-22). Finally, we must ask, ?Does the person or
religion teach a different method of salvation than taught in the Bible?? (Galatians 1:6-9).
If the person or religion that claims to speak for God fails any one of these three questions, he is not from God. We
must reject his teachings. In the next chapters, we will evaluate official Mormon doctrines using God?s three-part
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Yes I asked the question yesterday but it was deleted and I didn't have a chance to see the answers.
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Old 07-07-2010, 11:48 AM
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I'm afraid the Bible itself doesn't pass it's own test.
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Old 07-12-2010, 11:48 AM
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Oh goody. I can hardly wait for the next part...
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Old 07-13-2010, 11:48 AM
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No,it does not even come close.As nice as the Mormons are,they are SO
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Old 07-18-2010, 11:48 AM
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A test of authenticity, using biblical guidelines?

Classic. My dog could pass such a test.
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Old 07-22-2010, 11:48 AM
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not in the least.
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Old 07-23-2010, 11:48 AM
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The Bible still hasn't passed any test of authenticity, so I would never use it as a yardstick for other books.
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Old 07-24-2010, 11:48 AM
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No, Mormonism does not pass those very good Biblical tests for authenticity. I'm looking forward to other chapters.
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Old 07-25-2010, 11:48 AM
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Right. It fails. Also they do not worship the Savior by His true name, which is YAHOSHUA.
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Old 07-28-2010, 11:48 AM
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If the "Bible test" is a carefully crafted quiz that arrives at a Prue-chosen destination under the guise of fair examination;
then nothing will pass it, as long as the crafting of it is slanted effectively.

As example is the first response where an equally valid effort is used to discredit the Bible itself.

Perhaps conversation with God instead of the wiles of men is the most effective way establish the validity of faith.

I wonder why so many Christians are so hesitant to include God directly in this matter, preferring instead the products of the 100 year, multimillion dollar anti-Faith machine?

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Old 07-29-2010, 11:48 AM
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They say an angel brought it down to J.Smith - I guess they didn't care what Galatians 1:8 said... Direct contradiction between the Bible and their principle belief system(s).
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Old 08-02-2010, 11:48 AM
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No, not at all. This is because of Joseph Smith's history of alcoholism and the fact that they have added books to the Bible.
Of course Mormons will defend the church and that's fine because they have a right to. But it doesn't hold up against what God states in the Bible.
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Old 08-04-2010, 11:48 AM
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Didn't you just ask this question yesterday?
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Old 08-08-2010, 11:48 AM
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Mormon's use the King James version of the Bible, "so long as it is interpreted correctly". It is largely supplanted by The Book of Mormon, "another testament of Jesus Christ".
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Old 08-09-2010, 11:48 AM
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Yes, it absolutely does!

The Godhead consists of three separate and distinct beings - God the Father, his Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost.
Genesis 1:26-27;3:22 Matthew 3:17; 28:19
Luke 3:22 Acts 7:55 1 John 5:7

God the Father, as well as his Son Jesus Christ, who is a resurrected personage, both have bodies of flesh and bone and spirit.
Genesis 32:30 Exodus 33:23
Luke 24:39, 41-43 John 20:17; 21:13-14
Acts 7:55-56 1 John 3:2

Jesus is the Christ, the literal Son of God, the Messiah, and the only perfect person upon the earth - and not simply a great teacher.
Luke 9:35 John 17:4-5 Hebrews 1:6-7

Jesus Christ , as revealed in the New Testament, is Jehovah, God of the Old Testament.
Exodus 3:14 John 8:58 Isaiah 43:11 Hosea 13:4

The Holy Ghost is a distinct personage of spirit and is the third member of the Godhead.
Matthew 3:15-18 John 14:26; 16:13-14; 20:21-22
Ephesians 1:17

The Holy Bible is the word of the Lord insofar as it is translated correctly. It is the record of the Jews and will be joined with another record in the last days to relate God's word to his people. This second record will come from a descendant of Joseph.
Ezekiel 37:15-17 Isaiah 29:18 Revelation 20:12-14

Jesus Christ is recognized as the head of his Church, with other officers named, beginning with a foundation of apostles and prophets, and including teachers, saints, elders, evangelists, bishops, deacons, priests and high priests.
John 15:16 Mark 3:14-15 Ephesians 2:19-20; 4:11-14

Officers in Christ's church will be "called of God." They will receive their authority through the "laying of hands." One cannot call himself to the ministry,
a. College degree or license insufficient.
b. Royal priesthood will be known as such.
c. Bishops and leaders are to marry and to have children.
Acts 19:25 Hebrews 5:4, 10 Timothy 3:2; 4:2-3
1 Peter 2:9

Members of Christ's church will be "workers," and will be called "saints." In addition, women will be included in activities and leadership.
Proverbs 12:4 Romans 1:7 Ephesians 4:12
1 Corinthians 11:7 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10

There will exist within the church separate entities for each of the groups of members. Adult and youth organizations will exist. This point stands to reason, if Christ is concerned with helping each individual from that person's own level of understanding.
Ephesians 4:11-14

Christ's church will believe in the "virgin birth" of Jesus Christ but will not believe in the "immaculate conception" of Mary.
Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:19-20, 23 Luke 1:26-31, 42

Christ's church will believe in immortality or eternal life, and in a heaven and hell. After the resurrection, we will be assigned to different places according to the judgment. The first resurrection will be for the righteous and will commence 1,000 years before the second resurrection.
John 3:16-17; 5:28-29; 14:2 1 Corinthians 15:20-22; 40-42
1 Thessalonians 4:16-18

The Savior's church will honor Sunday as the Sabbath, with the understanding that the resurrection transpired Sunday morning, the first day of the week - and thus replaced Saturday as the Sabbath.
Hosea 2:11 Matthew 28:1 John 5:18 Acts 20:7
1 Corinthians 16:2

Officers as well as members of Christ's church will receive continuous revelation from God.
Amos 3:7 Matthew 16:13. 16-19 Ephesians 1:17

Members of the Lord's church will be payers of tithes and offerings.
Malachi 3:8, 11 Luke 11:42 Hebrews 7:4-5

Members of the church will regularly partake of the Lord's supper. This sacrament represents the flesh and blood of Christ and is partaken of in remembrance of him.
Matthew 26:26-28 Acts 20:7 1 Corinthians 16:1-2

Members of the Lord's church will experience miracles, such as visions, tongues and prophesies. In addition, the church will practice divine healing. When members of the church are sick, elders of the church will anoint them with oil and heal them.
Matthew 9:18 Mark 6: 5; 16:17-18 Acts 5:12, 16
James 5:14-15

Church leaders will teach that the resurrected Jesus Christ will come again to the earth in the last days. This "second coming" will be greatly anticipated.
Job 19:25-26 Matthew 24:30 Acts 1:11; 3:19-21

Members of the Lord's church will be persecuted for their beliefs. Matthew 5:10-12; 24:9 Luke 6:22-23
Acts 8:1-3; 28:22 Hebrews 11:36-38

The church as a whole, as well as its members, will be recognized for their "fruits" - as well as the prophets who lead them. The church will esteem honesty, virtue, and wholesome activity. Proverbs 15:4 Luke 6:43-44 2 Corinthians 9:10
Philippians 4:17 Hebrews 13:18

The church must provide salvation for all of God's children, not just those who receive the gospel while living on the earth. It will practice baptism for the dead.
Mark 16:16 John 3:1-8 1 Corinthians 15:29

The church will build temples similar to the one Solomon built, which was destroyed and built again at the time of Christ. These temples will have unique purposes, including baptism and other ordinances. Temples will also be holy places, contain the Holy of Hollies, and be used by members as places of worship.
Isaiah 2:3 Malachi 3:1; 3:7

Christ's original church was organized by him and named after him, and his church today will also be named after him.
Ct's 4:10-12 Ephesians 1:22; 4:11-14; 5:23-24

Specific authority to function in the administration of the church is called "priesthood." It is obtained through ordination by one having the power to so ordain.
1 Samuel 13:9-14 Mark 6:7 John 7:16; 20:21 Acts 19:2-5
Hebrews 5:4-6,(6?)8-20

A higher priesthood authority is required to bestow the Holy Ghost than to baptize.
Matthew 16:19 Mark 1:7-8 Acts 8:15-18; 19:2-6

The church that Christ originally organized did not baptize infants since the prerequisite for baptism had (1) a capacity for repentance of past personal sins, and (2) a personal belief in the divinity and teachings of Christ.
Mark 10:14-15; 16:16 Acts 2:38; 8:12

The church is to send out missionaries (in twos), to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Mark 6:7 Luke 10:1

The church will have a welfare system to provide for the poor and the needy within the church. Members are to provide for themselves and their family first, and then receive help from the church
Deuteronomy 15:11 Palm 9:18 Isaiah 14:30
Mark 10:21 Luke 18:22 Romans 15:26

The church will have a law of health. Alcoholic beverages will not be used by members of the church.
Ephesians 5:18 1 Corinthians 5:11; 6:9-10

The church will be one that is restored to the earth. Christ's original church experienced a great apostasy or falling away, but his church will be returned or restored again in the last days.
Jeremiah 31:31-34 Acts 3:19-21
2 Thessalonians 2:1-13 Revelation 14:6-7

Christ's church will believe in being saved by the grace of Christ through exercising faith in him. In other words, it will teach that when we repent of our sins and forsake them, the atonement of Christ will cleanse us of our sins.
Matthew 7:21-29 Mark 16:15-16 Luke 6:46-49
1 Timothy 4:10 James 1:22-25; 2:14-26

The church will preach only the true gospel of Christ, with no variations. It will neither add to the meaning of Christ's teachings nor take away from them - even though current revelation will provide insight into them.
Matthew 5:19 Galatians 1:6-9 Ephesians 4:5
Hebrews 13:8-9

Christ's church will espouse a Prue-earth life, or a preexistence, such as that taught by the Orthodox Jews. Included in this teaching will be the doctrine of fore ordination and not predestination. God the Father will be recognized as having created the individual spirits of all people.
Genesis 1:26-31 Job 38:4-7 Ecclesiastes 12:7
John 17:5 Ephesians 1:4-5 Hebrews 12:9

The church will believe in the "original sin" of Adam. Nevertheless, it will teach that Christ atoned for Adam's sin and that we will be punished for our own sins, as Adams sin has already been atoned for.
John 1:29 Acts 24:14-15 Romans 5:6-19
1 Corinthians 15:21-23

Christ's church will teach that the gathering of Israel, in the last days, will be literal.
Isaiah 5:26-30; 11:12-13; 35 Jeremiah 3:14-18; 31:10

Members of the true church will respect the beliefs of others.
Galatians 5:22-26; 6:1-2 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10

The church will be subject to the laws of the land, regardless of the type of government in power in that land - thus rendering unto Caesar that which is his, and to God that which is his.
Matthew 22:21 Mark 12:17 Luke 20:25

It should be recognized that while perfection is to be sought by each member of Christ's church, the members will have human failings and will make mistakes, and that they will thus need to grow and learn - line upon line, precept upon precept.
Isaiah 28:10 Ephesians 4:11-14; 28,32

After repentance, baptism by immersion is essential, as is receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost. A person performing these ordinances of baptism and the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost must be duly authorized to perform such ordinances.
Matthew 3:13-15 John 3:5 Acts 2:38,41; 22:16
Romans 6:5-6

The Savior's church will have an unpaid ministry. This unpaid ministry will be called "by revelation," even as the apostles called new members to their quorum following the resurrection of Christ.
Amos 3:7 Micah 3:11 John 10:13
Acts 1:22-26 1 Corinthians 9:18 1Peter 5:2

Satan is a real spirit being and not a fragment of people's imagination.
Job 1:6 Matthew 4:10 Mark 1:13; 8:33
Luke 13:16; 22:3, 31 John 13:27 Acts 26:18

The Holy Ghost will bear witness to the truthful
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Old 08-11-2010, 11:48 AM
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Old 08-14-2010, 11:48 AM
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NO..

beware of false prophets and false teachers...

It does not pass the Biblical test nor does it pass the archaeological test regarding the supposed lost tribes in the early America's...
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Old 08-19-2010, 11:48 AM
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It does to me!
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Old 08-23-2010, 11:48 AM
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Interesting.

First of all lets look at your 3 criteria:

?Does the person or religion teach a different God than the God of the Bible?? (Deuteronomy 13:1-5).

Hmmm, have you read the New Testament; because there was this thing about many Jew rejecting Jesus and his followers using that argument. Besides, it's all subjective. I don't need your 3rd party judgmental blessing on my personal acceptance of Jesus Christ in order to feel good about myself. So ask yourself, is a God that can't speak to prophets or a God that can speak to prophets the God of the Old Testament prophets?


Second, we must ask, ?Has the person or religion given any revelations which failed?? (Deuteronomy 18:20-22).

Again you're got a cub-scout level of understanding of the bible. I think you are referring to a verse that says that if a prophecy doesn't happen you "should not be afraid of that prophet". The interpretation indicates that we shouldn't fear him, not that we should run away screaming.


?Does the person or religion teach a different method of salvation than taught in the Bible?? (Galatians 1:6-9).

Again, you haven't read this for yourself, have you. Paul speaks of another gospel we should be worried about; but rather than jumping to conclusion read the following verses about this other gospel. There it is, a few verses later,he's talking about the gospel as he knows it, as it was revealed to him, based on revelation. So ironically this other gospel is one that denies revelation, which doesn't sound like the LDS church to me!


"In the next chapters, we will evaluate official Mormon doctrines" - were you planning or writing an entire book in here or perhaps have you plagiarized something based on scriptures that you obviously haven't read and don't understand?


There is a biblical test given by Christ to know who his disciples are. It's based on living others as Jesus loves us. Focusing on destroying another religion doesn't really fit that one, now does it?
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