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Old 07-28-2010, 04:13 PM
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Default LDS, is it true that Joseph smith ran for president on an "anti-slavery" platform?

i think i read something like but its vague in my memory.
that would imply that he is NOT racist, would it not

any quotes to understand if this true?
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Old 08-02-2010, 04:13 PM
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Not racist, huh. This is the same jerk who claimed a god told him that black people are less worthy than white people...you lying scumbags are a disgrace to humanity, an absolute disgrace.
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Old 08-04-2010, 04:13 PM
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it's true. strange isn't it? considering their whole "blacks are cursed" philosophy.
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Old 08-09-2010, 04:13 PM
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?Dear Sir--[Kirtland] having recently been visited by a gentleman who advocated the principles or doctrines of those who are called abolitionists and his presence having created an interest in that subject, if you deem the following reflections of any service, or think they will have a tendency to correct the opinions of the Southern public . . . you are at liberty to give them publicity . . .

?I fear that the sound might go out, that 'an Abolitionist' had held forth several times to this community . . . all, except a very few, attended to their own vocations, and left the gentleman to hold forth his own arguments to nearly naked walls.

?I am aware that many, who profess to preach the Gospel, complain against their brethren of the same faith who reside in the South and are ready to withdraw the hand of fellowship because they will not renounce the principle of slavery and raise their voice against every thing of the kind. This must be a tender point, and one which should call forth the candid reflections of all men, and more especially before they advance in an opposition calculated to lay waste the fair states of the South and let loose upon the world a community of people who might, peradventure, overrun our country and violate the most sacred principles of human society, chastity and virtue. . . .

?I do not believe that the people of the North have any more right to say that the South shall not hold slaves, than the South have to say the North shall. How any community can ever be excited with the chatter of such persons, boys and others, who are too indolent to obtain their living by honest industry and are incapable of pursuing any occupation of a professional nature, is unaccountable to me; and when I see persons in the free states, signing documents against slavery, it is no less, in my mind, than an army of influence, and a declaration of hostilities against the people of the South.

?What course can sooner divide our Union? After having expressed myself so freely upon this subject, I do not doubt, but those who have been forward in raising their voices against the South will cry out against me as being uncharitable, unfeeling, unkind and wholly unacquainted with the Gospel of Christ. . . . the first mention we have of slavery is found in the Holy Bible . . . And so far from that prediction being averse to the mind of God, it remains as a lasting monument of the decree of Jehovah, to the shame and confusion of all who have cried out against the South, in consequence of their holding the sons of Ham in servitude . . .

?I can say, the curse is not yet taken off from the sons of Canaan, neither will be until it is affected by as great a power as caused it to come; and the people who interfere the least with the purposes of God in this matter, will come under the least condemnation before Him; and those who are determined to pursue a course, which shows an opposition, and a feverish restlessness against the decrees of the Lord,, will learn, when perhaps it is too late for their own good, that God can do his own work, without the aid of those who are not dictated by His counsel.?

(Joseph Smith, "History of the Church," vol. 2, pp. 436-438)
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Old 08-14-2010, 04:13 PM
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Yes:

"Another candidate in the 1844 campaign was Joseph Smith, Jr., founder of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who intended to run with Sidney Rigdon as his running mate. His presidential platform included reducing government by a third, and ENDING SLAVERY through constitutional means. The effort was aborted when Smith was murdered on June 27, 1844."
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Old 08-16-2010, 04:13 PM
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Yes he ran on an anti-slavery platform. Even if he hadn't been murdered, he probably wouldn't have been elected because too many wanted to keep their slaves. It was the slave owners who believe that the blacks had the mark of Cain. Joseph loved all, no matter what the color of their skin was.

The critics want everyone to believe things about Joseph which aren't true. Take the copy and paste Circumspect did of the History of the Church. Reading what is pasted makes it sound bad, but when a person reads the original, which includes what the ellipses omitted, what Joseph was talking about is much clearer and can be seen as not being prejudiced against blacks.
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Old 08-17-2010, 04:13 PM
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I heard that he also wanted the Church to go to all slave owners and buy their slaves and set them free.
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Old 08-18-2010, 04:13 PM
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PRESIDENT LINCOLN WAS SHOT FOR WANTING TO FREE THE SLAVES!!!
while promoting book of moses 7:9 and when Brigham took over they chilled in UT during the Civil War and did not help the other fight for Black right after that. HHMMMM something to consider.
Book of Moses 7
8 For behold, the Lord shall accuse the land with much heat, and the barrenness thereof shall go forth forever; and there was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were despised among all people.

While also claiming that white invader to America who took the Indians land away and slandered Indians were the only ones to bring forth their nations history, quite racist don;t you think when any Indian chief could have found the Gold plates and borough forth their own history, its like a Hispanic bring forth my Swedish history, like I would want that!!!
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Old 08-20-2010, 04:13 PM
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YES, Smith did want to end slavery, but does that REALLY mean that the curse of Cain written in the book of Mormon was not going to be carried out? (not necessarily)

Joseph Smith, who ran in 1844 on a platform of "democracy,"Cy
theodemocracy means,
A government that requires rule by a single leader. (elder) with a christian following.
Joseph Smith told the press that he wanted to create a ?Theo-democracy.
On April 7th, 1842, Joseph Smith received a revelation instructing the establishment of a new organization parallel to the church, AND Joseph Smith ordained the council to be the governing body of the world, with himself as its King.

LDS should research this topic.
References here.....http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/03/16/theodemocracy/


Joseph Smith just did not act on racism, it was in the BOM (the curse of a skin of blackness)
though as from God. Right?
Smith did ordain a black man. ONE of the few that followed the saints.

Smith had Able as a friend and made AN EXCEPTION for him, that's all.
Brigham Young and other LDS leaders were the ones to carry out the banning blacks because of the curse in the BOM.

Also the ONLY case of a black man allowed the priesthood of this time.
See below...IT says it was AN exception.

?Abel, Elijah, the ONLY COLORED MAN WHO IS KNOWN TO HAVE BEEN ORDAINED TO THE PRIESTHOOD, ...he was ordained an ELDER March 3, 1836, and a SEVENTY April 4, 1841, AN EXCEPTION HAVING BEEN MADE IN HIS CASE WITH REGARD TO THE GENERAL RULE OF THE CHURCH IN RELATION TO COLORED PEOPLE.... In Nauvoo HE WAS INTIMATELY ACQUAINTED WITH THE PROPHET JOSEPH SMITH... In 1883, as a MEMBER of the Third Quorum of SEVENTY, he left Salt Lake City on a MISSION to Canada, during which he also performed missionary labors in the United States. Two weeks after his return he died, Dec. 25, 1884, of debility, consequent upon exposure while laboring in the MINISTRY in Ohio. He died in full faith of the gospel.?
(L.D.S. Biographical Encyclopedia, Vol. 3, p. 577)

Quote from Smith...
The first mention we have of SLAVERY is found in the Holy Bible,... And so far from that prediction being averse to the mind of God, it remains as a lasting monument of the DECREE OF JEHOVAH, to the shame and confusion of all who HAVE CRIED OUT against the South, in consequence of their holding the sons of Ham in SERVITUDE.... I can say, the CURSE IS NOT YET TAKEN OFF FROM THE SONS OF CANAAN, neither will be until it is affected by as great a power as caused it to come; and the people who INTERFERE THE LEAST WITH THE PURPOSES OF GOD in this matter, will come under the LEAST CONDEMNATION BEFORE HIM; and those who are determined to pursue a course, which shows an opposition, and a feverish restlessness against the DECREES OF THE LORD, will learn, when perhaps it is too late for their own good, that God can do his own work, without the aid of those who are not dictated by His counsel.?
(History of the Church, by Joseph Smith, Vol. 2, pages 436-438)

This from the book of mormon from the 1920's and before.

And [God] had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them. And thus saith the Lord God; I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities." (2 Nephi 5:21, emphasis added)

"Skin of Blackness" was the curse here. THE BOM is full of racust remarks. Especially at that time. (changes have been made to tone down the racism in the book over the years,)

So see this is how Smith seen the curse to be.
IF the LDS religion believes that Smith "translated" these VERSUS from the LORD, I guess Smith AND MANY OTHER LDS leaders received far different answers and teaching from God. Right?
I believe Smith made an EXCEPTION as he wrote above.

Sorry so long, thanks for reading, interesting question!
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