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Old 08-13-2010, 04:56 PM
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Default LDS: are objections surrounding Joseph Smith just a matter of being recent?E.g. the C

was sainted, yet he was part of an invading missionary community in Lower Canada that was once forced back to France at least once. He exploited the aboriginal population and was thought to be a sorcerer. He and his Jesuit companions were executed by the Iroquois. The Catholic church just apologized for and compensated Aborigines in Canada for abuses perpetrated by such as he.
Does this mean it is just a matter of time and memory before Joseph Smith is likewise honored by history?
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Old 08-15-2010, 04:56 PM
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honored by history? or honored by church history?

I believe Joseph Smith is already honored by your church history, no? don't expect actual history to ever be paralleled with church history.
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Old 08-16-2010, 04:56 PM
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"A prophet is without honor in his own country"

People seem to forget that Peter, James, John, Paul, and even Christ were ridiculed and rejected for centuries until the mass started to turn to them.

Although no man can match the being of Jesus Christ who was so much more than a man, there is irony in the "Christians" who denounce Joseph Smith for his accusation and miss the fact that all of the apostles of Christ as well as the Savior Himself were also tried and executed for their testimony.

His name is being had for good and evil among all nations; but slowly the LDS church is growing into a major world religion.

One person at a time the opinion of Joseph Smith is changing, statistically speaking 1,000 people got baptized today meaning that today there are 1,000 more people who would defend him; tomorrow another 1,000 and on and on.

Over time the arguments against him will fade.
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Old 08-17-2010, 04:56 PM
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Joseph Smith is not a prophet, he is a womanizer.
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Old 08-19-2010, 04:56 PM
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My objections are more along the line that there's absolutely no evidence that anything he claimed was true. Much like all other religious traditions, in fact.

The fact that he was a convicted fraudster before he started making religious claims doesn't help matters.
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Old 08-22-2010, 04:56 PM
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Joseph Smith had done nothing wrong any where in comparison with what he did. If any man had shown what a Christ centered life should be like, it was he.
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Old 08-23-2010, 04:56 PM
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Jean DE breveUFOas tortured and murdered by the Iroqois because if his connection to the Hurons as a missionary, The Iroquois murdered quite a few Hurons also. His death was not because of any abuse of Indians..
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Old 08-27-2010, 04:56 PM
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Joseph Smith did not abuse Native Americans, in fact the Mormons were some of the few non Natives who treated them like humans.

The main complaints that secular sources have with Joseph Smith is that there is little evidence that the events in the Book of Mormon happened and his reason for introducing polygamy(there is no evidence he himself practiced it, but he certainly believed in it)

Christian writers will use a lot of out of date sources that secular writers won't use since they been pr oven wrong

Examples; such as Joseph Smith having other wives(No evidence)

Him being responsible for the churches bank failure(He wasn't running the bank, he was in Canada when it happened and many banks failed in USA at that time)

Claiming all Native Americans are descendants of Israelites(Only 2 families were said to be descendants of the Israelites, and 1 wiped out the other)

Book of Mormon plagiarized from another book( both books ruled unique and unrelated, not 1 sentence was plagiarized)

Well there is more but that's all I can think of right now.

My one issue with pro Mormon books is they leave out things like that Joseph Smith drank alcohol and that Joseph Smith shot at those who came to kill him the night he was murdered.

I don't see why those 2 are such a big deal to hide since use of alcohol( as well as tea, coffee and tobacco) was still common amongst Mormons up until the late 19Th century and it was viewed as advice rather than an order. And what is so wrong about defending yourself?

The newer Pro Mormon books talk about those things though, but if you go to the library you ll find the books from 1970s to 1990s leave out those things. But interestingly will talk about his treasure hunting.

Basically what I'm saying is there really isn't any that bad about Joseph Smith. As a non Mormon I view him as a good person who meant well and seemed to really believed what he taught. One thing interesting is that he had very little power within his own church, which is probably why there is little corruption within LDS with all the checks and balances
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Old 09-01-2010, 04:56 PM
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What are you going to tell Christ when he tells you that Joseph Smith as foretold in the scriptures would be the prophet to restore the true Church and the Priesthood to Earth? Right now you may think this is a strategic course to take but it just makes you a gambler if you don't accept it. If Joseph Smith made all this up, you have no hope for anything after this life, since there is no God. With no God, what is existence all about? We come from a soup that had no intelligence to create intelligence. Surely, this must make sense to many. No man would have taken all this abuse if it was made up. I wouldn't have. Joseph Smith is in good standing with me and with God.
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Old 09-02-2010, 04:56 PM
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It amazes me how history is twisted. Or, if people are so naive to promulgate erroneous information. Joseph Smith was NEVER convicted of any crime. Yes, he was accused repeatedly. But he never, ever was convicted. Big difference. I challenge anyone to produce a historical record of a conviction.

Many of said a lot about Joseph Smith in history. We Latter-Day Saints refer his as a Moses, a prophet of God.

Here is what a prominent non Mormon referred to Joseph as:

"It is by no means improbable that some future textbook ?will contain a question something like this: What historical American of the nineteenth century has exerted the most powerful influence upon the destinies of his countrymen? And it is by no means impossible that the answer to that interrogatory may be thus written: Joseph Smith, the Mormon Prophet."?Josiah Quincy

You should judge for yourself but studying impartial sources.
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