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Old 08-06-2010, 07:29 PM
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Default Mormons, how can you honestly claim that Joseph Smith was a martyr?

The evidence from John Taylor, is that Joseph Smith killed at least two before he was shot to death (History of the Church, Vol. 7, pp. 100-103).

A martyr doesn't offer resistance! See Stephen's death, Acts 7:54-60.
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Old 08-10-2010, 07:29 PM
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LOL Joseph Smith?what a wacko!
If he was a martyr then so was General Custer.
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Old 08-13-2010, 07:29 PM
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Leave the Mormons alone. They're too easy, it's like picking on the slow kid.

Go for Christians, that's where the action is at.
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Old 08-15-2010, 07:29 PM
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That is your definition of a martyr. A martyr is someone who is murdered specifically for what they believe in and because they will not deny that belief.
Joseph Smith, before he left to jail, stated "I go like the lamb to the slaughter", he knew he was going to his death.
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Old 08-18-2010, 07:29 PM
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just as other religions.

myths and fantasy
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Old 08-23-2010, 07:29 PM
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mar?try (martyr) KEY

NOUN:

One who chooses to suffer death rather than renounce religious principles.


You either don't understand what a martyr is or you are just trying to pick a fight.
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Old 08-28-2010, 07:29 PM
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Religion doesn't have to make sense, haven't you seen that by now.
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Old 08-29-2010, 07:29 PM
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I suppose it depends on how you define martyr, eh?

All of the following are definitions of martyr:

#one who suffers for the sake of principle
# one who voluntarily suffers death as the penalty for refusing to renounce their religion
# one who willingly accepts being put to death for adhering openly to ones religious beliefs.
# someone who chooses death rather than to renounce his faith.
# member of the Christian church who suffered death for their faith; martyrs ranked before all other saints.

I'm not saying I disagree with you, but none of the definitions I found on the web mentions non-violence as an attribute of martyrdom.
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Old 08-30-2010, 07:29 PM
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Joseph Smith didn't kill anyone. He had a gun and shot back in self-defense from the prison where he was held, but he he only wounded those he shot. Oh but wait... you knew that! If you had to take a test on the real truth you'd probably score higher than most Mormons. Too bad you can't turn your energy into something more positive.
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Old 09-03-2010, 07:29 PM
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Have you ever looked at the definition of a martyr? Its not based on what we think but on what smith DID that made him a martyr
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Old 09-07-2010, 07:29 PM
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A martyr doesn't offer resistance?

What are you smoking? Joseph Smith defended his friends as well as his brother against a mob of militia, John Taylor and Willard Richards both survived because of his heroism.
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