Do Roman Catholics/Episcopalians/Lutherans recognize 'nondenominational' baptisms?
According to Catholic Church Canon Laws; for a Baptism to be valid,there are 3 necessary Elements:
1)The Proper Form (Trinitarian formula)
2)The Proper Element (Water)
There is an impression that ''ALL BAPTISMS ARE VALID AS LONG AS THE WATER IS APPLIED AND THE TRINITARIAN FORMULA IS USED''.
But since most Non-Denominational Churches (as well as Baptists) do not believe in the necessity of Baptism, nor do they believe that Baptism cleanses original sin or gives the life of the Holy Spirit. They do not believe it was mandated by Christ for salvation,so there is lack of proper intent?!
It is just a public profession of personal faith in their view. Therefore, I doubt the minister intends to do what the Church does by Baptism.They dint see it as a Sacrament but rather an ''Ordinance''.
Does it invalidate the Sacrament of Holy Baptism and those people should get ''Conditionally Baptized''? Or it makes the Sacrament ''Illicit'' but valid?
PS: Please no 'Online-Evangelists' and retired Sunday-School teachers or Pentecostal preachers telling me about the Salvation process and other Faith matters regarding the Baptism..I do not need to know that i should be a BORN-AGAIN Christian in order to be saved or we should be baptized in the name of Jesus only Bela Bela..
Please only Catholic Christians as well as Lutherans,Episcopalians,Methodists etc. who believe in the necessity of Baptism as a Sacrament
They will all accept as valid a baptism performed by a lay person, if correctly done in the name of the trinity. No-one can prove whether the correct intention was or wasn't there, so in practice it will be accepted.
THEY don't even use the Biblical method of baptism and who are they to "acknowledge" any denomination of God's children? are they now taking authority away (yet again) from God to recognize "our" total immersion baptism as a symbol of our commitment? p.s. sprinkling doesn't count, I was sprinkled as an infant, it was called "christening" not baptism........God Bless
The final and most mysterious effect of Baptism is to receive a permanent, irremovable character or seal. Baptism imparts a likeness to Christ, especially to Christ the priest. The seal will remain throughout our lives on earth and into the endless reaches of eternity. The baptismal character grafts a person into Christ the Vine so that all the baptized share in a unique way in the graces of Christ?s humanity. As a result, Jesus Christ has a claim on the baptized that no one else enjoys; and they have a claim on Him that no one else on earth can share.
The baptismal character is permanent because it is timeless; it is indelible because nothing, not even the loss of faith can remove it. Therefore a baptized person always remains a Christian. Why? Because the baptismal seal confers a permanent relationship with Christ.
Generally, at least on paper, the Catholic Church recognizes heterodox baptism. But if there is any doubt, the Roman Church conducts "conditional baptism" where the priest says "If you have not been baptized previously I baptize you in the name of...". It's the same as baptism of a premature infant. "If you are still alive I baptize you in the name..."
It is most likely that a Protestant would receive a conditional baptism, even though the Church officially recognizes their previous one.
why do non denominational Baptists think they are better then Jesus himself who submitted to baptism by John ?
and when the Apostles came out on the veranda on Pentecost and preached to the crowd about how Jesus died for them and etc---they were cut to the heart and they asked "what must we do?"
They were told "REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED"---what is it about that that bible only believers do not understand?
Baptism is not necessary for salvation so why the emphasis on baptism?
But Jesus did tell us to repent and be baptized. No where in the inspired Scriptures does Jesus tell us that baptism is a Sacrament.
Therefore everybody who is a believer should be baptized with water and in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Intention comes from being saved.
Nondenominational and Baptist churches attach Baptism to the initiation of salvation. Their intent is to mark a person as being a member of God's Church, even though they have a very defective understanding of the manner in which this all plays out. Lutherans recognize such baptisms.
Some very conservative Lutheran pastors are inclined to require a provisional baptism whenever there is any doubt...especially if a candidate was baptized in a church engaging in an open blasphemy such as female ordination. The rationale here is that in some such cases there may be a question about whether the person was baptized into the true catholic faith, or into a counterfeit that was simply parroting the rite.