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Old 10-10-2009, 11:26 PM
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Default Does the European Pope view Christianity (aka Protestantism) as a threat to Rome?

Why does the European Pope, when he travels to South America and Mexico, complain about the growing numbers of Christians (aka Protestants)?
David C posted (in part):
the pope is complaining because his business is being affected in the same way America complains when it cant flood non subsidized countries with its subsidized products so it can wreck the local economy and move in wholesale
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God is light.
In him there is no darkness.
Light exposes darkness.
Those who want to live in darkness are threatened by the "true light" because their darkness is exposed.
The inquisitions is just a small example among many other things of how they have exposed themselves as "dark" - (not of God).
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Old 10-14-2009, 11:26 PM
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Oh gee I know Catholics are not saved Christians

The only way to be a Christian and be saved, and go to heaven and not eternal hell, is by believing that Jesus, who is God, died for our sins on the cross and rose again (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). It is impossible to lose salvation (1 John 5:13).

From the enlightening posts of Chris

But as Catholics
We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in being with the Father. Through Him all things were made. For us men and our salvation He came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit, He was born of the Virgin Mary , and became man. For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate; He suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day He rose again in fulfillment of the scriptures: He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son, He is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen

So I think Chris just called himself a liar

Then you say Catholics teach works for salvation. All false gospels of works lead to eternal hell (Galatians 1:6-9). But you neglect to say that the Catholic Church also teaches you need Grace and Faith as well not just works

Oh yea Catholics do those umbilical False Gospel works such as in Mathew
So is Mathew umbilical as you claim. Feeding the hungry clothing the poor. And all other scripture dealing with works.

He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.' Then they will answer and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?' He will answer them, 'Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.' And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
Matthew 25:33-46
"?Not everyone who says to me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven?" (Matt. 7:21).
"?Why do you call me "Lord, Lord," and not do what I tell you??" (Luke 6:46).
"For he will render every man according to his works . . ." (Rom. 2:6-8).
"For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified" (Rom. 2:13).
"For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgments . . . (Heb. 10:26-27).
"What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him?" (Jas. 2:14).
"So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead" (Jas. 2:17).
"But some one will say, ?You have faith and I have works.? Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. . . .Do you want to be shown, you foolish fellow, that faith apart from works is barren? (Jas. 2:18-20).
"You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone" (Jas. 2:24).
HE WHO HATES ME HATES MY FATHER ALSO. IF I HAD NOT DONE AMONG THEM WORKS SUCH AS NO ONE ELSE HAS DONE, THEY WOULD HAVE NO SIN. BUT NOW THEY HAVE SEEN, AND HAVE HATED BOTH ME AND MY FATHER
Seems like Jesus said the opposite and wanted works performed.
And condemned people like your self to hell for not doing them

so I guess Catholics lost the salvation you say they could?t loose and that because by believing in Jesus who is God, died for our sins on the cross and rose again . Are going to eternal Hell . And Mathew is not biblical along with every other scripture and verse that deals with works and salvation .

But your [Chris] saved because you?re a habitual liar



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Evodius was the first Bishop of Antioch, and he is credited with being the first person to call the followers of Christ, "Christians", as shown in Acts 11:26. See Eusebius, book 3, chapter 22.
Saint Ignatius (35-107), the second Bishop of Antioch wrote a letter to the Smyrneans in 107 A.D..
In this letter is recorded the first known use of the words "Catholic Church"...
Paragraph #8
"You must all follow the lead of the bishop, as Jesus Christ followed that of the Father; follow the presbytery as you would the Apostles; reverence the deacons as you would God's commandment. Let no one do anything touching the Church, apart from the bishop. Let that celebration of the Eucharist be considered valid which is held under the bishop or anyone to whom he has committed it. Where the bishop appears, there let the people be, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not permitted without authorization from the bishop either to baptize or to hold an agape; but whatever he approves is also pleasing to God. Thus everything you do will be proof against danger and valid."

Just a little bit before Constantine Id say

Catholics didn't write the Bible. Humm I guess you never herd of St.
Augustine or St. Jerome

Anyone that isn't a Christian, can't discern true from false. Your own words Chris I guess your not a Christian.


For those who spread lies about the Catholic Church: their ignorance is their lack of knowledge, their stupidity is their wisdom, and their truth is falsehood
In attacking the Catholic Church, Protestants sever their own roots
No protestant should quote Scripture at all, for he has no means of knowing which books are inspired; Unless of course, he wants to accept the authority of the Catholic Church for that
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Old 10-18-2009, 11:26 PM
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I thought there was only 1 pope.

I didn't know there was a European one and a non European one
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Old 10-20-2009, 11:26 PM
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The traditional view of the Catholic Church is that Protestants are Christians who have unsound doctrine and need to come HOME to the church that Christ founded.

So no, they are not a threat.
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Old 10-23-2009, 11:26 PM
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its all a double standard. if you research how and why Catholicism came about it was just the Romans doing what the Romans all ways did with religion. Christianity would have died a death if Constantine hadn't decided to make it religion of the empire and compulsory.

Constantine never converted even though as pope he was the primate. the idolatry was kept from the old religions hence the saints as was treating the pope like a king which still goes on today.

the stuff on contraception was a joke and the only reason for it is the need to procreate the membership the same way Islam works now. all its done is sentence hundreds of millions to a life of poverty.

to days christianity of all forms is nothing like the original format. jesus was after all a jew but was claimed as a prophet when in reality mohammed has more in common with moses than jesus does.

the current stateside incarnations are just pure hypocrisy and the endtimers should be rounded up and drowned as they are enemies of the planet. I include GWB in that statement.

the pope is complaining because his business is being affected in the same way america complains when it cant flood non subsidised countries with its subsidised products so it can wreck the local economy and move in wholesale
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Old 10-24-2009, 11:26 PM
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>>Why does the European Pope, when he travels to South America and Mexico, complain about the growing numbers of Christians (aka Protestants)?<<

Because he is concerned about them! Protestants do not eat the flesh or drink the blood of the Son of man, and therefore have no life in them:

So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." -- John 6:53-54
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Old 10-25-2009, 11:26 PM
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God is light.
In him there is no darkness.
Light exposes darkness.
Those who want to live in darkness are threatened by the "true light" because their darkness is exposed.
The inquisitions is just a small example among many other things of how they have exposed themselves as "dark" - (not of God).
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