According to the TV, millions of anglicans are flocking to the Roman Catholic Church?
because they are opposed to Women and gays being ordained as priests.
Errm, doesn't the lifestyle demanded by the RC Church almost ensure that most of the male priests are gay ??
The amount of same sex child abuse cases throughout the World would suggest this to be the case.
What is your opinion ?
OTH, You know the straight man argument doesn't hold water at all, and as for your example, exactly, my point pr oven...
Walks off humming "Batchelor Boy"...
Erm the lifestyle demanded of the RC Church by priests is not the same 'lifestyle' as a gay man!!
For a start the majority of pedophiles and child molesters are usually what are regarded as straight men. Gay men have sex with other gay men, not with small children.
The RC Church asks for priests and nuns to be celibate, so that they are devoting their lives to god. Its more like a Cliff Richard lifestyle - there are many straight people who are happy with a celibate lifestyle as they devote themselves to god.
Edit: You asked for my opinion! And in your opinion Cliff Richard is gay (he's celibate so it doesn't really matter what he fancies, he isn't having sex with it) but has never been accused or even hinted that he has molested children. Personally I dint give a damn if people are gay or straight or somewhere in between.
Homosexuality is not the result of celibacy. The truth is that many gays are drawn to the priesthood because they think it will keep them from acting on their homosexual tendencies. Also, same sex child abuse is estimated to make up only about 4% of all child sexual abuse cases, and not all pedophilia is committed by homosexuals. Straight males often commit same sex abuse because the physical characteristics of prepubescent males remind them of females.
Gay =/= pedophile.
If sexual deprivation were the determinant of same sex child abuse, you would have to look warily at soldiers stationed away from the families for long periods, Bhuddist monks, etc. The Catholic priesthood is not the only thing that causes celibacy.
It wouldn't surprise me if it was true that many are switching to RC. What other religion allows a person to commit sins or crimes with the comfort of knowing that all will be forgiven the next day when they go to confession? I always called the RC religion the Religion of Hypocrites.
Apart from the fact you should never ever believe that the media are saying .... or at least take it all with a pinch of salt .... millions would be a slight exaggeration!! There are a lot of very unhappy Anglican Priests (and probably the congregation too) at the moment because of the ordination of Women. And in that, I totally agree. It goes against mainstream teaching to have woman priests and as long as this continues, or develops into allowing Women Priests to become Bishops, for many Anglicans who feel this is wrong, the only alternative is to turn to Roman Catholicism.
I honestly don't know where you are coming from with your gay priest comment, going on to child abuse. Get your facts straight. Being gay doesn't mean you turn to abusing children, and being celeb ate doesn't mean anybody becomes gay!!
Like to see the numbers verified but the pope is sticking his oar in big time and should butt out. Rome has never been happy with losing control, after all that is what they are about. But it does highlight the church being back in the dark ages with respect rights of the common man/woman today.
Legislation should get both in a head lock and say welcome to the dawn of our age. If companies and organizations outside religion act in that way they get hauled over the coals and fined to the hilt.
""Errm, doesn't the lifestyle demanded by the RC Church almost ensure that most of the male priests are gay ??""
What a retarded statement to make. Being a catholic priest means devoting yourself totally to God. It isn't easy but I'm sure that the true priests have been picked out by God to become priests.
The few that are gay and molesting kids are just hiding behind the priesthood.
If you do your research Jesus made his church upon his promise to Peter in the gospels.
Why would a celibate lifestyle "demand" people to be homosexual?
Why would less than 1% of the priests and bishops in the world committing sick and evil acts in direct violation of everything for which the Church stands "suggest this to be the case"?
In 2007, 400,000 Anglicans formally requested for the opportunity to rejoin the Catholic Church:
http://www.thefloridacatholic.org/rop/2008_rop/2008_roparticles/20080710_rop_traditional_anglicans.php
The Catholic Church responded to this and other requests from Anglican groups and individuals. This is well thought out and planned pastoral concern and action.
There are already over 20 different Catholic Churches that make up the worldwide Catholic Church.
In addition to the Latin Rite (Roman) Catholic Church, the Eastern Rite Catholic Churches are in full communion with the Pope, and are part of the same worldwide Catholic Church.
Eastern Rite Catholic Churches include:
Alexandrian liturgical tradition
? Coptic Catholic Church
? Ethiopic Catholic Church
Antiochian (Antiochene or West-Syrian) liturgical tradition
? Maronite Church http://www.bkerkelb.org/
? Syrian Catholic Church
? Syro-Malankara Catholic Church http://www.syromalankara.org/
Armenian liturgical tradition:
? Armenian Catholic Church http://www.armeniancatholic.org/
Chaldean or East Syrian liturgical tradition:
? Chaldean Catholic Church
? Syro-Malabar Church http://www.smcim.org/
Byzantine (Constantinopolitan) liturgical tradition:
http://www.byzcath.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=145&Item id=62
? Albanian Byzantine Catholic Church
? Belarusian Greek Catholic Church
? Bulgarian Greek Catholic Church
? Byzantine Church of the Eparchy of Kri?evci
? Greek Byzantine Catholic Church
? Hungarian Greek Catholic Church
? Italo-Albanian Catholic Church
? Macedonian Greek Catholic Church
? Melkite Greek Catholic Church http://www.pgc-lb.org/english/index.shtml
? Romanian Church
? Russian Byzantine Catholic Church
? Ruthenian Catholic Church
? Slovak Greek Catholic Church
? Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church
Now into this beautiful mix of many cultures and traditions (but one shared doctrine), something like the Anglican Catholic Church will arise. Here is Pope Benedict's new Apostolic Constitution Anglicanorum Coetibus: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/apost_constitutions/documents/hf_ben-xvi_apc_20091104_anglicanorum-coetibus_en.html
Even Anglican primate Archbishop Rowan Williams wrote, ?in the light of recent discussions with senior officials in the Vatican, I can say that this new possibility is in no sense at all intended to undermine existing relations between our two communions or to be an act of proselytism or aggression. It is described as simply a response to specific enquiries from certain Anglican groups and individuals wishing to find their future within the Roman Catholic Church.? http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=17440
I'm Anglican or i was and because they are watering down the New testament to meet the climate of the day,many feel betrayed. On the other hand the Roman Catholic have remained firm and resolute in their commitment and this is respected by serious people. I do respect them.You can't in all honesty say the church that gives into the sway of godlessness in
modern times or says OK to the decadent is something to follow spiritually.
It is absurd of you to say because a person wants to commit to Godliness he/she is going to be gay.
First fallacy ? most abuse is not Prue ? pubescent abuse or child abuse. It?s true that most there is a higher proportion of same sex abuse than the general population, but it has been mostly post ? pubescent. I?m not justifying it, just redressing the media. The proportions of Catholic priests involved in pedophilia is 0.2% - 2.0%. In the general population I have seen figures from 1% to 4% involved with pedophilia, so it would look like the Catholic priest actually has a lesser proportion of pedophiles than the general population although this varies from country to country. In Ireland, from what I can remember there are about 5,500 priests, about 50 priests accused and about 5 ? 10 convictions. The number of victims is much, much larger. The abuse in the Catholic church, to be flippant, seems about par for the course, but apart from the abuse, the most sickening thing about all of this is the cover up by the Catholic church to protect known abusers that went on for so long. Unfortunately, I doubt if any other religion is any different.
Catholic child abuse in proportion
?but I think that objectively your child is less likely to be abused by a Catholic or Anglican priest in the west today than by the members of almost any other profession. ?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2010/mar/11/catholic-abuse-priests
http://clergygonewild.com/sex-abuse/34-child-abuse/409-united-kingdom-catholic-child-abuse-in-proportion
Child and youth sexual abuse by clergy - An overview
http://www.religioustolerance.org/clergy_sex6.htm
UNITED KINGDOM: Catholic child abuse in proportion
http://clergygonewild.com/sex-abuse/34-child-abuse/409-united-kingdom-catholic-child-abuse-in-proportion
Catholic sex abuse cases
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases
Abuse by members of Roman Catholic orders
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse_by_members_of_Roman_Catholic_orders
O ? very true. What sort of church lets their fundamental rules swing with the times? In fact, I think that the resistance to change is one of the reasons why Islam is attractive to some people. If you?re going to be religious, then religion should be one of those rocks upon which you build your life. That rock needs to be firm. Religion is a barrier to the umber-capitalist New World Order globalists and just like communism, they want to get rid of it, even though it could be argued that the Catholic church were amongst the first globalists.
Tony Benn on signposts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBvMQPiDZ3k
According to the TV, millions of anglicans are flocking to the Roman Catholic Church?
