Are Roman Catholics concerned about the Biblical passage where Jesus said to call no
Is this an issue often addressed in Roman Catholic circles (such that nobody worries about a potential contradiction with the scriptural command) or do Roman Catholic Bible translations render the passages in ways that the apparent conflict is avoided?
The Jewish or Semitic tradition has the culture to exaggerate, so don't mix up what Jesus says as we should never call our own father or priest as father. He stresses out that our God is the Father, and we should never forget that in the courses of our life.
People often twist Scripture or try to convince others that what they is OK.
By the way, do not you or have you ever refereed to that man that is your Dad as "Father."
Translated by the USCCB: United States Catholic Conference of Bishops.
The context of the above, read all of chapter 23 if you doubt me, is how to address religious leaders in the public square. The topic is not how to address your male parent.
Edit:
This is the only time the word, "reverend" appears in the KJV.
Psalm 111:9
He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name.
actually i have heard at least one protestant teach that we are not to call any man a reverend, i even asked a question about this form of bible translation and interpretation.
i know i have read the same words you are asking about.
it truly either has a protestant "spin" on the translation for political motivations or it is not a TRUE word of God if the catholic church is the ONLY truth on the planet
i disagree with both conclusions of course!
not particularly. Catholics who know their faith have likely heard that before and know it for the red herring that it is. A proof text without a context is a pretext.
First of all, Joseph tells his brothers that he has a "fatherly" relationship with the Pharaoh (Gen 45:8) Second, Job says that he was a "father" to the l;Essa fortunate (Job 29:16). Elisha calls Elijah his father (2 Kings 2:12).
If we turn to the New Testament, we find St. Stephen referring to "our father Abraham" (Acts 7:2).
Jesus was using hyperbole to make a point, as was His practice. For further information, see the following page, called "Call No Man Father" on the Catholic Answers web site:
"I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel" (1 Cor. 4:14?15).
Above is one of the passages justifying our use of the term. It is from a Catholic viewpoint. There are other passages also. Besides it is a title of respect.
You non catholics are more upset about our use of the term Father than we are.
The term pastor does not appear in the bible. It does not bother me a bit. Why should our using the term "father" bother you that much?
well you see ROman Catholics are able to COMPREHEND the difference between God the Father and Father as priest/pastor, biological. father, step father, ET AL. it's a level of maturity too. you see -- if you READ THE BIBLE you will see even Jesus called others father so..... your silly argument is just that.... silly. read the rest of the bible and quit listening to the fun dies.
We are greatly concerned with The Bible as a whole. That is why when Martin Luther wanted to remove 11 books from it we said "No." Just the same, Martin Luther knew what concern Catholic have for The Bible, so he said "We are compelled to concede to the Papists that they have the Word of GOD, that we received it from them, and that without them, we should have no knowledge of it at all."
We are so concerned with The Bible, that we like to read it in it's proper context and get instruction and clarification, so that we don't invent our own meanings for passages.
Tell me. What do you call the man who sired you? Note, that words like "dad" or "papa" or "pops" are other words for father.
The Bible makes use of terms that indicated a sort of "spiritual Faith-son" relationship. Like this one "You have in Christ ten thousand teachers, but not many fathers, because in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through announcing the gospel. Therefore I exhort you to become imitators of me" (1 Cor. 4:15).
Catholics use the same translations available to protestants and everybody else, and they all say something similar to "call no man father."
The difference is, Catholics understand what it means, not (as many protestants) what is says verbally. It means not to look to anybody to take God's place as the focus of your life, as the one who gave you spiritual life.
These particular protestants claim they take it literally, and then use it to denigrate the Catholic Church, but here is their hypocrisy and therefore their mistake: what do they call the man who gave them biological life, the man who impregnated their mother?
They call him "Father" (or Dad, or Pop, or any other English synonym that means the same thing) and by that fact prove that they know this scripture is talking about replacing God in our hearts, not about using a word, "father", to label another human being.
I like the way you put it, "apparent conflict." It's only a conflict if you pretend to believe that it's a literal injunction against using the title "father."
As a first-born son
to the only dad I know
(even though)
some say I look like Giuseppe
(an electrician from Napoli)
almost agnostic,
and medium-height,
who swears at pigeons,
but has never ever killed one,
I agree with Jon M.
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Many Evangelicals think the Catholic priesthood is not a valid part of God's plan. They point to sayings like "call no man father." Some consider Jesus' condemnation of the hypocrisy among some of the priests of his day as a blanket dismissal of the priesthood. They sometimes unearth the failings of some modern priests as proof of their theory and speak of empty rituals performed according to the "traditions of men." Catholics certainly don't think the priest is God. Catholics believe the priest simply does what Jesus commissioned the apostles to do, which is to serve the Church, that is Christ's body on earth.
Doesn't the Bible forbid calling a human being your Father, saying "call no man your father?"
Some Evangelicals point to the Scripture passage "Call no man your father?" (Mat 23:9-10) as a reason not to call priests "father." Yet in the same sentence Jesus says "Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Messiah." Using this passage to claim that we cannot call a priest "father" would mean that we could not call professors at an Evangelical Bible college "instructors." If we were to take this passage literally, it would mean that I could not call my earthly dad "father" either.
Catholics don't believe Jesus was forbidding the use of "father" in that passage. There are plenty of examples in the Bible where that the word "Father" applies to humans, and the Bible links the priesthood to fatherhood.
In Judges 17:10, the Ephraimite Micah asks a transient Levite, "Stay with me; be father and priest to me." Later (Judges 18:19), a Danite war party persuades the same Levite to leave Micah, saying: "Come with us and be our father and priest." Indeed, the Bible finds priesthood and fatherhood inseparably united.
St. Paul says he is the father of his Christian converts (1st Thess. 2:10-11). Acts calls Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and David fathers (4:25, 7:2, 8, 14). Paul says Timothy is his son, and he (Paul) is Timothy's father (Philip. 2:22). Reading Hebrews 12:9 reminds us of those spankings we used to get from our fathers! 1st John 2:13, 14 twice calls certain members of the congregation fathers.
Every Catholic priest is ordained in Christ to say, "In Christ Jesus I became your father through the Gospel" (1st Cor. 4:15). A priest is sent "to deal with us as a father deals with his children, encouraging, comforting, and urging us to live lives worthy of God" (1st Thess. 2:11-12).
Catholics believe the fulcrum of Mat 23:9-10 is "The greatest among you will be your servant." (Mat 23:11) That is the job of the priest, to be a servant. To serve the congregation. Jesus was condemning their hypocrisy, not their office.
Catholics don't think Jesus was against priests, he was against hypocritical priests. Jesus was condemning the hypocrisy of unholy men who were in office at the time, he was not condemning their office. I believe that's how God felt 2000 years ago and that is how he feels today. And yes there have always been some bad priests. Judas was the first bad priest in the Christian tradition, but the other disciples were good men. Jesus makes it very clear that he is not condemning the office of scribes and Pharisees'. He was not saying that we should throw out the idea of an organized clergy. He had a great respect for their office.
"The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses seat; therefore do whatever they teach you and follow it, " (Mat 23:2)
So we be live Jesus was saying, hon our the office of the priesthood. God honored the office and gave the high priest the gift of prophesy (Jn 11:51) God instituted the priesthood with the Levites. Jesus was not against the priesthood, he honored and respected it, and I believe he is inviting us to do the same. God gave the high priest the gift of prophesy (Jn 11:51)
And it is well-founded answers such as these that were my reason for converting to Catholicism. Protestants lob their concerns/misunderstandings/whatever at the church time and time again, But the Church always has a reasonable answer.
Now the only question is are you brave enough to listen? Are you brave enough to question your own protestant system? Start with this: "Hail Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee." It is completely supported by scripture. Then research what it means to be full of grace.
Are Roman Catholics concerned about the Biblical passage where Jesus said to call no
