is that true the catholicism is found in the roman catholic church and the orthodox e
even both are different churches in some aspects but some aspects are closer.. I know some Orthodoxes don't see very good the orthodox churches.. but I found the orthodox churches are catholic even we are separated.. and according to the Vatican they are valid in all their sacraments and ordinations.. I don't know if it's the same thing in return about roman Catholicism?
I learned the bishop of Rome the Pope is not recognized as the supreme leader but yes as another bishop.
The Orthodox churches do have valid priesthood and sacraments, and doctrinally they are very close to the original and true Christian Church - except of course for one essential belief, the authority of the Pope. But they are not Catholic. They separated themselves from the Catholic Church when they rejected the authority of the Pope. Doing that makes a person - or a church - schismatic - separated from the true Church.
The Orthodox schism occurred around the year 1100 a.d. (before this, if you were Christian, that meant that you were Catholic). They stopped believing in the primacy of the pope, but still believe in apostolic succession with bishops (e.g. the apostle St Peter appointed St Ignatius as the bishop of Antioch, etc). But they still kept all of the sacraments so appear to be extremely similar to Roman Catholicism and Eastern Catholicism. They have since kept many of the 'traditions' of Catholics, like officially canonizing saints. So according to the Catholic Church their sacraments are VALID but ILLICIT.
the roman catholic church is only named when the bishop of Rome has business with that diocese.
the catholic church when dealing world wide is the "catholic church" on all paper work.
the Anglican church teaches that Christianity is made up of 3 branches
Anglican . orthodox, and roman catholic
the bishop of Rome is our pope and is our leader
There are Orthodox Churches that recognize the Pope as head of the Church on Earth. The Russian Orthodox and Greek Orthodox for example do not recognize the Pope as Head of the Church but only as first among equals. The Greek Orthodox and Russian Orthodox have legitimate Apostolic succession and sacraments. They are not Catholic in that they are basically national Churches and are not in Union with the Pope.
You left out the word "Roman" when referring to the Roman Catholic Church.
The word "Catholic" means universal and both churches are Catholic but only one is Roman Catholic.
No they are not the same however it is true that there are Eastern Rite Catholics. Roman Catholics or Catholics of the Latin Rite are the Western division of the Catholic Church. All of these 22 rites are in union with one another and the Pope is the recognized as the leader, however the Pope also serves as the patriarch of the Latin Rite, and the Eastern Rites have patriarchs who are the leaders of their church. The real difference between east and west catholics are the traditions, but the teachings are essentially the same and do not conflict with one another and the two rites center around different focuses of the same teachings. These rites are in communion with one another meaning a Latin Catholic could go to and Eastern rite catholic church and it would fulfill the Sunday obligation and vise verse. Below is a great website i found about the Eastern Rite Catholics.
Yes the churches are Catholic. You should listen to the links I'll provide below to hear from someone raised in the Eastern Orthodox and to hear the words of a Catholic. Some things are better said instead of written, and this is one of them because it is so confounding to so many. Some in Eastern Orthodox call the papal office of the Bishop of Rome a primacy of honor, as opposed to a primacy of supreme authority. However, you rarely see devout Eastern Orthodox Catholics have anything but good to say about the popes. Lots of Eastern Orthodox in my neck of the woods. And the patriarchs have rescinded the historic excommunications and visa verse.
In fact, there are devout, arch conservatives in the Catholic Church in America who are far more critical of the pope's primacy of authority. Regardless, ALL of us Catholics who live a sacramental life, who obey the precepts of the Church are part of the One Body of Christ that St. Paul talks about eloquently in Corinthians or in the epistles of Pope Saint Clement or Polycarp or St. Iranaeus or St. Ignatius, friend of the Apostle St. John and the Blessed Virgin Mary.
Modern scholarship is very clear on the Catholic Church being the extension of the life ministry of Jesus Christ and the Apostles. The Catholic Church, including its Eastern Orthodox churches, grew from that. Every definition in every accurate encyclopedia or history book will tell you that. But more importantly, PEOPLE, not books, know the truth because they've lived it.
The Eastern Orthodox patriarchs never fell out of communion with Rome. What happened was the Roman Empire FELL in the West, and it didn't in the Byzantine Empire -- the Roman Empire of the East. Rome itself went from a city of 800,000 in its prime to 30,000 around Gregorian period. While Western Europe was carved up by Goths, Barbarians, Huns, Visigoths, Celts, Lombards, Moors, Vikings, you name it, Roman Administrative Rule was removed. That meant Constantine's decree that the Catholic Church be a preferred religion was also cast away. However, the Bishop of Rome was always the center of the Catholic Church, and it never gave in to heresy. It has been and always will be protected. But there were political, governmental issues in the West that never affected the East.
Constantinople and the heartland of Eastern Orthodox had their own problems with Muslim invaders, but the Western remnants of the Roman Empire sent the Crusaders and prevented widespread intrusion by Islamics. Today, there are 16 national churches that make up what people call Eastern Orthodox. Look at the funeral attendance list on the Vatican website, and you'll see each and every patriarch from these national churches showed up to honor Pope John Paul II at his death. There is communion with the Bishop of Rome, though dogma may differ in small ways.
In the West, we finally had Charlamagne in the 900s start what would later be known as the Holy Roman Empire, which he cleverly initiated by going to Rome and submitting to papal authority and inviting the pope (Bishops of Rome) to "anoint" the rulers of the Holy Roman Empire. This practice held sway for centuries even when many factions in the Holy Roman Empire turned against the papacy and eventually led to heretical splits to create the Protestant world. So the differences were always governmental, and government forces eventually latched onto the heretic Martin Luther because he was the first person to effectively spread hatred of the Roman papacy by using the printing press. That changed the whole ball game. Hatred and bigotry were leveraged to create entirely new churches and even the Bible was modified by Luther and others to suit their purposes. What were those purposes? To take over the government of THE CHURCH. You see, Canon Law hadn't happened yet. In fact, this is what led to the creation of Canon Law, which is what governs the Catholic Church to this day. Effectively.
Official Roman Catholic and Orthodox teaching is that the other is also catholic (which means the faith held 'everywhere by all' -- Greek Katlin; it doesn't mean "universal"). Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism are NOT in communion at this time; the mutual reversal of the excommunications involved individuals, not entire groups. We remain estranged, but talking. Orthodox recognize the Pope as the bishop of Rome, and have never attempted to place an Orthodox bishop there as pope. The reverse, however, is not true, as since the Great Schism, there are or have been Roman archbishops or bishops in newly established communion in all the traditionally Orthodox patriarchal cities, namely Constantinople, Antioch (now in Damascus), Alexandria, and Jerusalem.
One of the names of the Orthodox Church is "Holy Orthodox Catholic and Apostolic Church", so we do consider ourselves catholic, but not Roman Catholic.
The term "Orthodox in communion with Rome" is does not accurately reflect the state of those in that position. The Orthodox do not consider them Orthodox, but as formerly Orthodox who have accepted unacceptable Roman dogmas. The older term "Uniate" is now out of fashion.
The Orthodox have not defined the "validity" of the sacraments as closely as Rome has, so to speak of "valid sacraments" is a bit of an oddity for the Orthodox.
is that true the catholicism is found in the roman catholic church and the orthodox e
