Does anybody know anything about satanism and scientology?
I'm curious about what the religions are actually about.
I also asked my teacher why those 2 religions aren't taught at our school and she just said "because they just aren't." Is there something bad about them?
I would really like to know more, thank you!
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wow thanks to everyone who answered, it was very interesting finding out.
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Church of Satan and Church of Scientology both have the same abbreviations, and they're both hated by a lot of people. Other than that, they have practically nothing in common.
Satanism (not to be confused with devil worship) is the world's first carnal religion, rather than spiritual religion. We focus on the carnal nature of humankind, using Satan purely as a symbol and archetype representing pride, lust, justice, critical thinking, non-conformity, and other principles we uphold. We don't proselytize but if you want to learn more about Satanism, read "The Satanic Bible" by Anton Szandor LaVey, or the essays on Christan.com.
If you want to learn about Scientology, I suppose it makes sense to go right to the source. Read "Dianetics" by L. Ron Hubbard.
As for why they aren't taught at your school, well is this a private school? They're both minority religions, so I don't see why either would need time in a classroom. And I'm even speaking as a Satanist myself.
I know very little about Satanism, but there are web pages you could visit that might give you an idea. The Wiki article, for instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism
Or the R.T. article: http://www.religioustolerance.org/satanism.htm
Or you could read the overview at "Modern Satanism": http://www.modernsatanism.com/satanism.html
As for Scientology, I can tell you a LOT more. Scientology, which questionably calls itself a new "religion", is the brainchild of science fiction writer & occult enthusiast L. Ron Hubbard. The organization, by means of Hubbard?s self created psychotherapy technique called ?Dianetics?, claims to be able to help rid members of any & all mental constraints including but not limited to emotional scarring (from this & "past" lives) due to "engrams" (past negative experiences stored in our unconscious mind), psychological disorders & chemical imbalances (the solution is to convince members that these things don't actually exist) & drug dependence (including legally prescribed psycho pharmaceuticals which counteract the effects of psychological disorders Scientologists believe to be nonexistent). Their ?treatment? of substance abuse includes little more than massive, often dangerous doses of vitamins and unhealthy extended sessions in a sauna.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dianetics#Scientific_evaluation_and_criticisms
Dianetics review: http://dir.salon.com/story/books/review/2005/06/28/dianetics/index.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,812852,00.html
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/detox.htm
http://www.nypress.com/20/22/news&columns/feature.cfm
Scientology is most certainly NOT a religion. In fact, one of the only reasons they enjoy "tax exempt status" on religious ground in the United States is because they bullied the IRS into a "deal" through extremely aggressive brattyRywhich is the offense of persistently instigating groundless lawsuits) against said government agency & its officials, & arranged to drop all 2,500 frivolous lawsuits only when an "agreement" was reached. In addition, Scientology's lawyers hired private investigators to dig up any "dirt" on IRS agents which was then used to blackmail or publicly smear all "vulnerable" agents. It was an all-out WAR that Scientology had waged against the IRS, & was even described as such by Scientology's "CEO", David Miscavige, in his 1993 speech to the International Association of Scientologists.
http://legalminds.lp.findlaw.com/list/fedtax-l/msg00445.html
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/nytimes/nyt-irs-030997.htm
http://www.factnet.org/headlines/give-away.htm
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/essays/irs.html
The official Scientology organization is composed of a number of ?levels?. One begins as a ?preclear? & works their way up. One must purchase virtually every service crucial to advancement directly from the "church" & at staggering prices. "Auditing", for example, is purchased in 12? hour blocks, costing anywhere from $200-$750 for introductory sessions to between $8,000 & $9,000 for advanced sessions. Basically, Scientology claims to possess exclusive knowledge of the path to religious redemption & then charges obscene amounts of money for every tiny incremental step towards this end. Visit this link to see how $380,000 is a conservative estimate for the total cost of moving all the way up the Scientology hierarchal ladder: http://www.xenu.net/archive/prices.html
These are the total costs for auditing alone:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_as_a_business#Costs
Here?s an explanation of what ?auditing? is:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061224182319AA2nnd6
At level OT III (Operating Thetan Level 3), some very strange & fiercely guarded secrets are imparted upon worthy members who have paid enough money to advance to such a level (and no, this isn't a joke): The evil alien ruler Xenu killed millions of aliens (Thetans) from around the universe by kidnapping them, bringing them to earth in golden DC-8 ?space-planes?, stacking them around volcanoes & blowing them up by dropping ?h-bombs? into the volcanoes. Scientologists believe the souls of these aliens (these souls are "Body Thetans") were captured, brainwashed & released; they then attached themselves to our ancestors (and according to Scientology?s belief in Thetan immortality, they also attached to us during ?past lives?) & cause many of our mental & physical ills to this day. Auditing is said to ?clear? us of these Body Thetans as well as the ?mental implants? they supposedly impose on our minds. http://www.spaink.net/cos/essays/atack_ot3.html
http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/spaink-ot3.html
http://xenu.net/archive/leaflet/Xenu-Letter.pdf
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/OTIII/
Scientology has taken a very hostile stance towards psychiatry & psychiatric drugs irrespective of the fact that some people require medication to remain adequately functional during everyday life. It doesn?t recognize legitimate conditions like autism, epilepsy, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, or ANY neurological disorder / chemical imbalance at all, & the ?church? has been known to withhold prescription pharmaceuticals from members (often with harmful & deadly results). The ?Church? blames psychiatry for the Holocaust, as well as school shootings & even September 11th. It?s been suggested that Hubbard?s vehement opposition was born of the psychiatric community?s rejection of his ?tech? as a valid treatment method, but it?s also possible that Hubbard chose psychiatry as a scapegoat. Organizations like Scientology are notorious for villainizing a specific out-group because their ?stand against the enemy? fosters cohesion within said organization, & psychiatry was an effective rallying point considering many people already distrust & oppose the mental health profession.
http://www.anti-scientologie.ch/usa-scientology.htm
http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=3137&IssueNum=136
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2005/07/01/sci_psy/index_np.html?pn=1
http://perkinstragedy.org
L. Ron Hubbard, the man behind the creation of Scientology, was & still is a controversial figure. Biographies & lists of personal accomplishments differ greatly between Scientology & non-Scientology publications as the ?church? tends to exaggerate & outright lie about his early life, his education, his travels, his achievements etc, preferring to paint a distorted, flattering picture. Several books & articles present facts which flatly contradict these church-published accounts (links to free online copies of these books & articles are provided below), showing conclusively that he was NOT the brilliant, accomplished figure revered by Scientologists. During his autopsy, the sedative Vistaril? was present in his body, which several of his assistants would later attest was only one of many psychiatric & pain medications Hubbard ingested over the years. It had also been said by many who knew Hubbard personally that at the end of his life he was ?a psychopathic insane person screaming about BT's [Body Thetans]??
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/Bare%20Faced%20Messiah.pdf
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/atack/contents.htm
http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/mom/Messiah_or_Madman.txt
http://lisatrust.bogie.nl/scientology/essays/jeff-hubbard.htm
To be blunt, Scientology is a cult. It employs semi-legitimate psychotherapy & self-help methods to keep people loyal & convinced of its merit while it simultaneously sucks them dry financially & attempts to keep them far away from ANYONE, even friends & family, who would dissuade them from remaining in such a harmful situation. It bullies all known critics, opponents, ?enemies?, etc, often through malicious litigation & character assassination. It?s a particularly greedy as well as manipulative & dangerous cult that takes its anti-psychiatry fanaticism to deadly limits.
http://www.solitarytrees.net/racism/harass.htm#start
http://www.factnet.org/Books/SocialControl/scs.html#toc
http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/s/scientology/pignotti/
http://www.sptimes.com/2006/06/24/Tampabay/The_unperson.shtml
http://www.xenu.net/archive/personal_story/funkydonny.html
You'll probably get a lot of emotional and hysterical uneducated opinions on this question, but simply stated, Satanism is the worship of Satan. Not to be confused with the worship of Pan, the forest God, or the many other forms of nature worship and witchcraft. Scientology was invented/created by L Ron Hubbard when a friend bet him he could not start a religion. It is based on his book Dianetics. This is the truth, on both religions, and I can prove it.
In my opinion, neither of those are religions because neither have to do with God. Obviously Satanism is not a good thing, as it is the opposite of worshiping God.
Scientology was started by a science fiction writer - and thus has a lot of science fiction in it. Hubbard started it almost as a joke to see if he could get people to follow science fiction. However, he used actual real eastern teachings about "mascaras" which are real traces of memories in the body and mind of actual events that leave traumas. They CAN be "cleared," and a person feels better - so it works. That's how people end up accepting a lot of the other nonsense - because some of the techniques are real and work. But it doesn't have anything to do with God.
hello kit, yes, i do know something about them. they are both against the one and only true God. not only that, they are dangerous things to allow in your life. they mess with your mind and cause all sorts of mental issues. if you want to find true spirituality, and discover the awesome power of God, to find out just how much God loves you, then talk to God. ask Jesus into your heart. there is no better or safer place to be than in the cent re of Gods will.
the fact that they aren't taught at school should tell you that they are not good. and considering all the different religions that they do accept i would say that is a really good case against them. Satan is Gods enemy. whose side do you really want to be on...Satan knows he has lost the war, he just wants to take as many people down with him as possible.
Some believe the "Satan" was a name given to a much older god. The one that actually did create life. Xianity plagiarized much older religions, forced others to convert or die, then destroyed the evidence of the occult knowledge given to man by Satan, or Lucifer. This knowledge was to help mankind elevate themselves spiritually to the point of being gods themselves.
There are some Satanists who don't believe in any of sort of deity at all. They usually follow the works of Lavey and are basically atheistic in their belief system. They worship themselves as being gods already, and their motto is something akin to "do what though wilt, shall be the whole of the law". They also teach a healthy dose of responsibility to go along with their doctrine, pointing out that it is only favorable to be responsible to others who are responsible for themselves.
"Devil" worship is usually practiced by fools and posers, A handful of pissed off Xtians who don't know anything except what they've been taught by the bible, and because they don't like god anymore, choose to do the opposite of what the bible says. Real Satanists despise these types of people because they really give us a bad name.
We teach that we are Natural beings, and as such, should do what comes naturally.
We teach that all the seven deadly sins are falsehoods, as they all lead to mental, emotional, or physical gratification. I could explain this in detail if I have to.
We also teach responsibility, that we are responsible for our own lives.
We teach that animals and children are sacred, as they are Natural in the most complete sense as they have not been sullied by the likes of preconceptions or interference from humans in an animals case.
We teach to love completely they whom deserve our love, and to hate they who would wish us ill, for then love and hate won't become watered down, by trying to love everyone, even people that do rotten things.
We teach to learn all we can about our natural world, to learn history and symbolism, so that we can better connect to Nature.
We teach an understanding of all the forces of Nature, and how to balance those forces within ourselves.
We show that self-preservation is the highest law, as if you cannot preserve yourself, then how you can preserve anything?
And we show how to ritualized our emotions into magical workings, to accomplish something that would otherwise be unchangeable, and to rid ourselves of emotions that if held in could destroy us.
We frown upon drug use, as that makes a person less effective as a magician and a human being in general.
I could write a book but not here.
Your friendly neighborhood Satanist
Courtesy of Phoenix M
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-GY450_chc6m9woCEYAoOOMwhRha5?tag=religion
(used with permission)
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Scientology - alien souls, spending a lot of money to reach upper levels and become "clear" from the trauma of having an alien slave soul. Paranoia, anti-psychology, persecution of anyone who questions the religion.
I don't know what kind of school you have but religion of any kind cannot be taught in public schools because it violates the separation of Church and state. At least in the US.
Here is a description of Scientology from an actual Scientologist:
Fundamentally, Scientology is about the individual man or woman. Its goal is to bring an individual to a sufficient understanding of himself and his life and free him to make improvements where he finds them necessary and in the ways he sees fit.
Scientology is a workable system. Evidence of this may be seen in the lives of millions of Scientologists and the positive effects they create. People improve their lives through Scientology. As Scientologists in all walks of life will attest, they have enjoyed greater success in their relationships, family life, jobs and professions. They take an active, vital role in life and leading roles in their communities. And participation in Scientology brings to many a broader social consciousness, manifested through meaningful contribution to charitable and social reform activities. Through hundreds of separate community outreach programs, Scientologists help the needy and disadvantaged on every continent.
Scientology contains effective answers to society?s most crucial problems, among them drug abuse, crime, education and decay of moral values.
Since Scientology teaches that we are (not have - some seem to have not gotten that distinction) the spiritual being
(that's you - the awareness of awareness unit). Your experience spans more than one life, and your potential is unlimited.
Sorry I don't know anything about Satanism but here?s a factual description of the Scientology religion for you (From an actual Scientologist):
Scientology is a new religion. It is an applied religious philosophy. By ?applied? is meant that it is for use in life and living. You actually use it in your day to day life to change and improve existing conditions. It is a practical religion.
All religions if you study them have a basic philosophy, but they also have certain dogma, rituals and observances and a certain faith or belief is required. There is nothing wrong with this , but Scientology is not that kind of religion. It acknowledges the principle of God or the Supreme Being but does not try to define or describe this principle, leaving it up to the individual.
It is also not a messianic religion. This means there is no worship of prophets or messiahs or gods. It is not belief or faith based. In Scientology a truth is true for you according to your own observation and experience .
The dictionary definition that applies:
Religion: The spiritual or emotional attitude of one who recognizes the existence of superhuman power or powers.
The most basic principle of Scientology is that YOU are your own immortal soul, that this is not a thing you have but what YOU actually are.
Scientology believes or considers that Man is basically good. This is different from many religions that promote that he his naively evil or bad unless ?made? good.
The whole purpose of Scientology knowledge application and procedure is to increase an individual?s understanding and awareness of himself as a spiritual being and to rehabilitate his native abilities and potential.
When you do this there sphere and zones of his positive influence increases and moves outward into his life , his family and friends, his groups and Mankind of which he is part .
How this result is achieved is the ?technology? of Scientology, which was developed by L Ron Hubbard from discoveries he made after extensive research into the field of the mind and the human spirit.
Some of this knowledge was already existing in the sacred lore of ancient texts like the Veda or Vedic Hymns going back 10,000 years. New and additional discoveries were made about the nature of the human spirit and fully recorded and codified .
Scientology?s closest spiritual ties with any other religion are with Orthodox (Hinayana ) Buddhism with which it shares an historical lineage. But even here the relationship is based mainly on friendship and the recognition of the being as a spirit rather than any organizational ties.
L.Ron Hubbard published 18 basic books from 1950 to 1955 to fully communicate the basic principles of Scientology, the path of his research and the technology that he developed from this.
He completed all his research before his death in 1986 and left all his materials and copyrights to the Church of Scientology?s Religious Technology Centre along with most of his personal estate when he died.
The Church of Scientology is currently established Ind operating internationally in over 160 countries world wide. However it is still a new religion, less than 55 years old.
The true story of Scientology as a religion goes like this:
1. A philosopher develop es a philosophy about life and death.
2. People find it interesting.
3. People find it works.
4. People pass it along to others.
5. It grows.
This is just an overview.
L.Ron Hubbard explained fully the theology and technologies of Scientology in more than 500,000 pages of writings, including dozens of books and over 3,000 tape recorded public lectures. So it?s not possible to fully answer your question on this forum, but I hope this helps.
Does anybody know anything about satanism and scientology?
