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Old 07-22-2009, 11:51 PM
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Default Why do some Christians believes that when someone has universalist views, they includ

Why do some Christians believes that when someone has universalism views, they include Satanism and other evil religions?

I was born into the Catholic faith, and I remain a Catholic, I believe in God, I believe Jesus is the son of God, I believe that Jesus is our savior and he died for our sins, I believe that Jesus died for everyone, even non-Christians, he preached and inspired millions to live better lives, he preached about love, kindness and equality, I have adopted universalism into my life, that God's love is unconditional, that all humans can be saved through Jesus and eventually come to harmony in God's kingdom, that God will redeem, restore and transform all people through Jesus, despite being a Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, etc...

These quotations were taken from "All Men Are Brothers: Life and Thoughts of Mahatma Gandhi As Told in His Own Words";

"How can I even secretly harbor the thought that my neighbor's faith is inferior to mine and wish that he should give up his faith and embrace mine? As a true and loyal friend, I can only wish and pray that he may live and grow perfect in his own faith. In God's house there are many mansions and they are equally holy."

"Religions are different roads converging to the same point. What does it matter that we take different road, so long as we reach the same goal."

When we speak of "religions are different roads converging to the same point", this doesn't include religions like Satanism and other evil religions that practice human sacrifice, because if you read the other quote, it says, "in God's house there are many mansions and they are equally holy", how can something as evil as Satanism and human sacrifice have a place in God's house and how can it be equally holy?

The idea of some Christians that Jesus would judge and condemn other religions doesn't fit with the teachings of Jesus that was taught in the Sermon on the Mount;

Luke 6:31: Do to others as you want them to do to you.
Mark 12:31: Love your neighbor as yourself.
Luke 6:37: Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Jesus tells us not to treat people in a way you would not wish to be treated yourself, in a lot of cases, some Christians do not follow this, for example, if you don't want someone to belittle your Christian faith, then you yourself shouldn't belittle other people's faith, I don't think Jesus would belittle other religions, Jesus tells us to love and respect your neighbor or someone different from you, in color, race, religion, etc, how is belittling other people's faith loving and respecting your neighbor? Jesus tells us never to judge and condemn, but to judge and condemn righteously, how is belittling other people's faith judging and condemning righteously? I do not think that it is righteous to judge and condemn a religion that teaches ethics, good acts of kindness, morality, values, love, family values, etc, whether it's Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc, but if that religion teaches evil and have wicked practices, I judge and condemn it...
@OkamiHAH - yes, I believe that atheists will eventually come to harmony in God's kingdom, despite their disbelief...
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Old 07-24-2009, 11:51 PM
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The narrow road leads to God.
All others to damnation.
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Old 07-28-2009, 11:51 PM
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That's very nice of you, and there are a lot of people who think like you do (including Origen, who was censured by the Church for his universalityICCiews), but the Roman Catholic Church's official position is that only Christians will reach Heaven and the rest of the world will be condemned to Hell.

Essentially, it's really just prejudice that makes people believe and say such things.
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Old 07-29-2009, 11:51 PM
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That's what the word Catholic means: universal.

The guy above me is misinformed in his information about the Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church does not say that only Christians go to heaven. It says that any person who lives a life of love toward others has God in his heart and therefore has a place in the kingdom of God. That's where the concept of the universal Christ comes from.
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Old 07-30-2009, 11:51 PM
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They're brainwashed and delusional. Anyone that has different beliefs than them is a "satanist" according to them. I go to a Unitarian Universalist church and there are many Christians that have the nerve to call the religion a cult, when their holy book discourages free thought and freedom...

But I'm glad to hear that there are some Christians out there that are open-minded and see the good in other beliefs.
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Old 08-02-2009, 11:51 PM
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We have a responsibility to rebuke our Christian brothers and sisters. Gandhi's testimony is invalid. Fruit of the poisonous tree. (Or in logical terms, poisoning the well.)

To ask er: Well, here is evidence of you pushing your belief on others. You made the argument. But, the problem with that argument is that is based on what you believe. Truth and fact are the determining factors. God has spoken it. It is in His Word. It doesn't matter what you, or even I believe. Sorry. God's Word is Holy above all.
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Old 08-04-2009, 11:51 PM
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Because Christians are scared, fragile, people. The are so threatened by anything or anyone that does not validate their beliefs. They need to "demonize" what they don't like.

Very sad and small minded.
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Old 08-07-2009, 11:51 PM
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Soho.... just a bit curious. I'm an atheist... and if God ended up being real, would I go to heaven?

I'm a pretty good person. ;D
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Old 08-11-2009, 11:51 PM
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The problem with most serious Satanists is they have named themselves something unfortunate. Granted, I haven't studied Satanism as much as other religions, but from what I understand, it's not really evil. They do rebuke the sexual inhibition and 'turning the other cheek' of Christianity, but they don't engage in human sacrifice or go on killing sprees. They still believe in overall tolerance and mutual respect for others.
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Old 08-12-2009, 11:51 PM
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Universalists are phony Christians. They say everyone goes to heaven. But Jesus proved most people are going to hell in Matthew 7:13,14. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. No one gets to the Father except through Him. (John 14:6) "Nor is there salvation (the benefits and blessings in the eternal kingdom of God) in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:12) Peter said this of Jesus Christ.
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