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Old 02-12-2009, 12:09 AM
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Default Is their such a thing as atheistic Satanism?

If this offends someone I am sorry. I am honestly just curious. I have seen several questions or answers to questions that have had to do with atheistic Satanism. I thought that being an atheist meant you didn't believe in any deities at all. Wouldn't being a Satanist mean you believe in Satan? Or is it like Wiccan where you don't necessarily have to believe in any deities?

I am Wiccan atheist by the way, in case anyone cares or wants to know.
Morgan co ates - How do you know what is going on in my head? I asked a question and last I checked that is how most people learn. Isn't it also true that most atheists became atheists by asking questions when things didn't seem to fit right?

Everyone else - Thanks for your answers and I will definitely go look at the Viki. I should have probably done that before I asked *blush*
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Old 02-16-2009, 12:09 AM
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No it cant exist because if you believe Satan exists then you obviously must believe God exists too.
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Old 02-19-2009, 12:09 AM
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I'm pretty sure there is such a thing, in that it's more of an ideological stance than a theistic one. Look it up on Viki, I'm pretty sure it makes mention of it.
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Old 02-23-2009, 12:09 AM
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Sure. Its called "Lavayen Satanism"

They are atheists...who don't even believe in Satan....its kind of like atheism with a flair. very interesting. kipperedUreyious.
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Old 02-26-2009, 12:09 AM
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"Satanism" IS a non-theistic religion. It's not the same thing as devil worship. People who say otherwise have obviously never taken the time to research the subject. Do they believe Marxists worship Karl Marx too?

The first known example in history of an actual public religion called "Satanism" started with Anton LaVey and the Church of Satan in the 1960s. He established a non-theistic religion that viewed "Satan" ONLY as a symbol, namely an archetype representing man's carnal nature, skepticism, pride, lust, indulgence, self-responsibility, and other principles that the philosophy upholds. These are outlined in the book "The Satanic Bible" (Avon/Harper-Collins, 1969).

This is why I find the "LaVeyan" term to be redundant. It's not like different sects of Christianity, where different groups still ultimately follow the same book and believe in the same deities. Satanism and devil worship are different on the most fundamental dogmatic levels that it's ridiculous to call devil worship a "type" of Satanism.

>>Or is it like Wiccan where you don't necessarily have to
>>believe in any deities?

It's not analogous, because there certainly are many Wiccans who believe in the God & Goddess as actual deities and practice Wicca through that specific view. So theism IS an option in Wicca, but not in Satanism. The philosophy of Satanism largely rests on the observation that humans are just another animal, and that deities are the invention of the human ego. So to a Satanist, worshiping a deity is just worshiping some other human by proxy, which is why the "god" of Satanism is simply the self.
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Old 03-02-2009, 12:09 AM
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Not a chance. By it's very definition, atheists cannot believe in a Satan being.
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Old 03-07-2009, 12:09 AM
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Yes there is.
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Old 03-09-2009, 01:09 AM
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A "true Satanist" will have to chime in but I say yes- because "pure Satanism" to my knowledge is regarding yourself as the only god there is- that there is no other gods around, just us. And you should serve yourself first.
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Old 03-14-2009, 01:09 AM
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The Church of Satan is technically an atheistic organization in that they reject the literal existence of supernatural beings, including God and Satan of Christian mythology.

In CoS, the individual is his or her own deity (in a metaphorical sense), the holiest day in his or her life is his or her birthday.

There ARE some theistic satanic groups (such as the Temple of Sutekh, the Khemetic version of worship ping darkness/chaos), but the overwhelming majority of those who identify as "Satanists" are CoS.
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Old 03-17-2009, 01:09 AM
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All atheism is Satanic in as much as it is animated by the anti-Christ spirit that rejects the divinity of Jesus Christ in many forms.
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Old 03-18-2009, 01:09 AM
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Yes, LaVeyan Satanism. It's a different form of atheism, because it rejects all gods. Specifically, it holds the belief that since all gods have been created by humans, you can create your own god. Following this logic, it would be better to declare yourself as a "god", thereby worshiping yourself. The word Satanism is used as the name because in older languages, the word "Satan" meant adversary, so to be a Satanist, you are against gods. What most people believe are Satanists are actually what I call Devil-Worshipers. They are still theists, because they believe in, and worship, a higher being.
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Old 03-22-2009, 01:09 AM
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LaVeyan Satanism. They use Satan as a symbol of man's nature. They pretty much view themselves as their own god, but don't believe in any deities.

The name is extremely misleading.
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Old 03-23-2009, 01:09 AM
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Laveyan Satanists are atheists, mostly. They regard Satan as a symbolic figure that represents man's inherent nature. Satanist teachings are based on individualism, self-indulgence, and "eye for an eye" morality.
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Old 03-28-2009, 01:09 AM
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Maybe, I think it might be the following of the Christian Satan. I know it sounds silly to take from a book, guidelines, but a lot of people were intrigued by Memnoch the Devil's version of why God kicked him out, in Anne Rices book. His teaching's (Satan's) or morals do have some good points. And if you think about it (for five seconds) the bible is just a fictional book too. So maybe they are or maybe they're taking from the bible version of Satan's rules. But that's basically all I know on that subject.
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Old 03-31-2009, 01:09 AM
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i would have no ideal on this one i only know about Jesus Christ
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