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Shi'a The Shi'a constitute 10–20% of Islam and are its second-largest branch.[9][12] They believe in the political and religious leadership of Imams from the progeny of Ali ibn Abi Talib, who according to most Shi'a are in a state of ismah, meaning infallibility


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Old 02-17-2009, 04:16 AM
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Default Why do non-Shia think we Shi'a need their advice to go to heaven?

Well, if any of you out there think we're going to hell for loving the linage of prophet Mohammad and you're going to heaven for rejecting them, please let us go to hell. I'm serious.

Interestingly enough, I've never seen any of you being so mean towards Atheists, Christians, Jews or Buddhists as much as you're mean towards us. By calling us Kafir, fornicators, non-Muslims, Imam-worshipers etc etc, you'll have to answer to every single one of us on the day of judgment, the day when you will be held responsible for every single word you've said. I for one will not forgive you. If my fellow-Shi'a choose to forgive you, that's their choice. I highly doubt millions of Shi'a will forgive you.

By daring to judge in place of God, you are committing the mortal sin called "shirk".
Interesting, because Shi'a only "react" to the insults and slurs on the Sunni and Wahhabi part. Shi'a have never been the "starters" of this. To us our beliefs and to you yours, but you have no right whatsoever to tell us what we can or can't believe in. It's our own business. My soul my grave, your soul your grave.
@Blitz triffid den Boden: Is that all you got? Talking history? What matters is the present time. At present: you support Yazid, Muaviyeh and all the murders of Imas and shamelessly call their words as "forged Hadiths" and you say we pray to Imams? You don't even know what Tawassul means. You are committing shirk by letting yourself judge in place of God not us. Speaking of twisting the Quran? Where did you bring the nonesense that if you kill a Shi'a you'll get 72 virgins in heaven? It's you who have corrupted Islam and are giving it a bad name. Islam is knows as the religion of terrror and bombing because of you and the likes of you.
@Blitz: You're obviously too ignorant of what 's going on. First off, I'm not Persian. Is that what they teach you there? That Iranians are all Persians? Second, Wahhabism IS a sect of Snnuism and they plant bombs and kill Shi'a to get to their 72 virgins in heaven. You don't even know "your" fellow-men. Third, you don't even know under what rare condition mutah is allowed. Not everyone is allowed to do that. Fourth, by calling Imam Sadiq from the linage of prophet Mohammad filthy (astaghforllah) you just bought hell for you. Fifth, we're not taugh that you support Yazid and Muaviyeh, I've seen it with my own eyes on YA "Moaviyeh and Yazid were of the correct Aqidah" yeah right.
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Old 02-22-2009, 04:16 AM
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Well, firstly Judging someone is not up to you. Allah is the judge.
If humans were the ones to judge a lot more people would be dead through suicide and all that nonsense.
And so do the Shea's that call Sunni's and all the others names.
Its not a one way road. It seems very hypocritical what you are stating.
Someone who tells you out of the goodness of their heart so you go to Jannah is just trying to help you, if you dint take that advice what can they do?
I think a lot more people should fear Allah.
Assalamualaikum parimutuella hiaraktuh.
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Old 02-27-2009, 04:16 AM
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It goes both ways. I have seen disgusting comments slung from both sides, so perhaps instead of starting a fight with the "others", why not try making an impact on those who will listen to you - Shia. Otherwise you are just another face in the "Shia vs Sunni" crowd, and your comments will fall on deaf ears.
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Old 03-03-2009, 04:16 AM
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Do whatever you want if you think you are right ,just ignorant choose to ignore went someone give them advices

If you really think like that you are a hypocrite..you should take a good look at your book

One of the leading scholars of the Shina, AL-Kashshi, reported that Abu Ja'far said: "The people (including the sahib) all became apostates after the Prophet's death except for three." When asked who they were, he replied, "Al-Miqdad bin Aswad, Abu Dharr, and Salman as mentioned in the verse, 'If he (Muhammad) dies or is killed, will you then turn on your heels.'" (Rijal al-Kashshi pp12-13) .

"Syrians are worse than the Romans, Madinites worse than Meccans, and Meccans openly disbelieve in Allah." (vol.10 p.107)

see your book declare us muslim kafir..what a hypocrite

I highly doubt million of you Fitna Victim will forgive you for declare them kafir
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Old 03-05-2009, 04:16 AM
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salaam...

You can speak for yourself. But Alhamdullah I know some shies who are so happy that they were guided away from sectarian chasmI'mo just Muslim. Alhamdullah they are happy... they dint come on here often now.. which is better for them.

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Old 03-07-2009, 04:16 AM
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@rosy: you could have saved yourself all that paragraph and written, "ultimately they aren't gaffer anymore" since clearly that's what you are implying.

@be good: sun nah of whom. dint even dare say sun nah of Muhammad (saw) because their sun nah is anything but.
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Old 03-11-2009, 05:16 AM
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I'm a non Shina i dent think u need my advice to go heaven. We ALL need to obey Allah Set and the final messenger peace be upon him full stop. i think the Shina Sunni will not unite but at least unite on the common things; and Allah knows best.

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Old 03-15-2009, 05:16 AM
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1- Sunnis love and accept the Prophetic lineage more than you do, we don't view them as infallible, NOBODY has authentic evidence that they are

2- Shia are the ones who betrayed Alhussein (Ra) during Karbala (the Shia of Alkufa)

3- Ibn thee Aljawshan (the strongest Shia at that time) was involved along with Yazeed and Obaidellah Ibn Ziad of murdering Alhussein (ra) READ HISTORY

4- You question the Prophet pbuh's raising of the companions, you question the faith of the closest people to the Prophet pbuh (his wives)

5- You believe that Alaqsa mosque is not as important as Najaf or Karbala, in fact, you beleive that Alaqsa mosue is somewhere in the heaven, and it is not that of Palestine??

6- You source your doctrines from the FORGED sayings of the imams (ra) rejecting the authentic Prophetic tradition preserved accurately by the Sunni (Muslim) scholars

7- You commit SHIRK, pray to the imams, CURSE THE COMPANIONS, TWIST QURAN......ect, that said, GIVE ME ONE GOOD REASON WHY YOU DON'T NEED ADVISE TO GO TO HEAVEN???!!!
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@Persian Asker:
"you support Yazid, Muaviyeh and all the murders of Imasms"
- Is that what your country, envieronment and parents fill your mind with from the day you were born? is this what they teach you everyday? don't you have a MIND? aren't you able to conduct a bit of critical thinking and a little impartial analysis? hahahah.... half of the common Sunnis have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, furthermore, our Sunnis books are filled with the virtues of Ahlulbait, check Bukhari and even Ibn taymiah writings about the true status of the Prophetic lineage, not the Greek myths you have in your books.

"shamelessly call their words as "forged Hadiths"
- Oh, i'm sorry, it must be Muahammed Albaqer (ra) or Jaafar ALsadeq (ra) who commanded you to make Mutaa (which was borbidden for good upon the conquest of Mecca, so no need to tell me that sahaba did it), it must be the Imams who said that Taqya (coward lying) is the major part of our religion!, it must be the imams who said the loyalty to the imamate is the first pillar of Islam instead of Alshahada (unfiying Allah testimony)!!! WHY DO YOU DECIEVE THE WEAK MINDED COMMON PEOPLE, HIDDEN BEHIND "LOVING AHLULBAYT"

You don't even base your hadith collection on a fundamentalist accurate knowledge, it's based on lies, LIES, LIES!! the pure imams never said FILTH like that mentioned on your ALKAFI and BIHAR ALANWAR..... SHOW SOME RESPECT FOR THE IMAMS FOR THE LOVE OF PROPHET MUHAMMED PBUH

"if you kill a Shi'a you'll get 72 virgins in heaven?"
HAHAHAHAH.... Thank God you brought this up, SEE, there is no difference between you any hateful non Muslim, there is nothing distinguishes you from those who hate Islam and fight Islam, this hadith is a weak hadith, and there is not a single Sunni source that commands us to kill any non Muslim, let alone a Shia, where did you get this Hadith, LIAR, LIAR, LIAR!!!!

SHEIKH AL QARDHAWI WAS BEGGING YOUR IMAMS TO ISSUE A FATWA OF PROHIBITING KILLING SUNNIS IN IRAQ, BUT THEY REFUSED UNTIL THIS DAY

The main problem is that you Shia are hypocrites, play the victim, accuse us of terrorism (just like the west) and all history prove nothing but the exact contrary, check my fav Q against you persians:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AjJPionDzsdpqDGIQ3xxu07ty6IX;_ylv=3?qid =20100327091357AAqcaYJ
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Old 03-16-2009, 05:16 AM
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thanks for sharing , 1]actually history should be studied ...rationally ...impartially..... the blackest spot ...on Muslims ....is ...KARBLA... 2].it is the index window ....of culminations ...of mistakes/errors...sins/crimes/Malinde intentions ..so on ....by the Muslims then..........but whose was intentional ....whose was ...unintentional/circumstantials.........or having debilities ...due to various pressures formed in the cultures................... 3] the basis of all religions are claimed to be humanism............ and humanity is first stair of Islam ..........hence primary need is to be good human..........to serve humanity thanklessly [not the cruelties]......even in taking revenge ...Allah prohibits the cruelties ....and emphasis on forgiveness................... 4] to say yid r.a is just like nullifying the whole structures.[which was made by Malinde intentions......but muslims do not feel courge to utter a word.....despite having faith that they were not at all free from errors/,mistakes.....so on].........thats where .....they are stuck up.......5]..thats the reasons till today .....non muslims will always with honest/truthful [to their nation] leaders....and muslims are ....full with corrupt ones...on various pretexts..........
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Old 03-19-2009, 05:16 AM
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@ Elda
Shia of whom?
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Old 03-24-2009, 05:16 AM
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Neliel:

Really, have you seen how YOUR scholars have declared us Shias as gaffers? How they are telling you not to befriend us, eat meat from us, talk to us, pray behind us, extra?Raow about how people here right in this section are declaring us as kaffirs and insult us on a daily basis, you included? And you're telling us that we're being hypocritical and that we won't be forgiven for declaring you kaffir? Just loving the irony of it all...

Asker:

Brother, don't let anyone's hateful comments or ignorance bring you down or your faith. Alhamdulilah, we know we are with the truth Many people here have no clue of our beliefs, all they know is what the wahabi freaks repeat to them: self-beating, mutah, taqqiyah, more mutah, you've seen it all. People hate and fear what they don't understand, this is what our imam Ali (a) said. He (a) also said that those who love Ahlul Bayt (a) will be the ones who will face hardships from others. I would like to understand why is it that even if Sunnis do disagree with us, that they believe that all this bashing and insulting they're doing in this section is making them any more better or if this is the way of their "Sunnah". To Sunnis here who have been bashing Shias and our beliefs: Please feel free to continue with your insults, but when you stand before Allah (swt) and are asked why you did this, then I hope you have a good explanation...

Again brother, ignore the haters No one will escape Allah's (swt) judgement and everyone shall answer for all their deeds. We certainly don't need advice regarding how we're to go to heaven from those who do nothing but insult others and go against Islam anyway...
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Old 03-28-2009, 05:16 AM
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Great, then just go to hell.
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