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Old 03-18-2009, 06:45 PM
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Default Why are liberals comparing the shinto shrine in Pearl Harbor to the Mosque near Groun

First WW2 ended 65 years ago and the attack on Pearl Harbor happened 69 years ago, you will hardly find a person who is not 90 years old still hurting over it, most of the people who witnessed the attack passed away or moved on.

Plus the Japanese never attack in the name of the Shinto Gods.

9/11 happened less than a decade ago and nearly everyone affected by it and their families is still very much alive.
Also unlike Islam the Shinto religion it is indeed peaceful and respectful.

Never heard of anyone getting killed in the name of the Shinto gods.
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Old 03-23-2009, 06:45 PM
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Because people are stupid and make a big deal out of everything to seem more important and deep.


Instead of being upset about the Mosque, they should be upset that with all of the money donated after 9/11 a monument is yet to be built at ground zero (not a mile away...at the site).


BTW: If people really cared that much, the rich Jews (95% of the people that live in Manhattan), most of whom are lawyers, would have stopped it. As it stands now, they really couldn't care less!
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Old 03-24-2009, 06:45 PM
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Same difference.
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Old 03-28-2009, 06:45 PM
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The people who attacked did not attack for or because of the Islamic cult, that it a myth, it too was politically motivated.
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Old 04-01-2009, 06:45 PM
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As for that shrine, it's still 5 miles away. Really it's not right in Pearl Harbor.
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Old 04-04-2009, 06:45 PM
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Link please.

I do not recall having made this comparison or it having been made by anybody else.
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Old 04-06-2009, 06:45 PM
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The Japanese tea gardens in Golden gate park in San Fransisco was renamed the Oriental tea gardens for almost 20 years during WW 2, and that was in the liberal city of San Fransisco
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Old 04-11-2009, 06:45 PM
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Not sure, because the Shinto shrine was there before WW2.
It was built in 1921.
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Old 04-12-2009, 06:45 PM
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"Plus the Japanese never attack in the name of the Shinto Gods. ... Also unlike Islam the Shinto religion it is indeed peaceful and respectful. Never heard of anyone getting killed in the name of the Shinto gods."


"Although mythological tradition has the first Japanese emperor enthroned in the seventh century B.C., modern scholars think the actual history of Japan did not begin until the third century A. D. After the fourth century A. D. the Japanese came under the influence of Buddhism, Taoism, and Confucianism. By the end of the sixth century Mahayana Buddhism had taken a firm foothold on Japan. It was at this time that the term "Shinto" was introduced to distinguish the native Japanese religion from the new foreign religion.

"Little by little the boundaries between Buddhism and Shintoism were obliterated. The concerns of day-to-day life became the domain of the Shinto side of religion while the concerns of the afterlife were served by the Buddhists.. The Japanese developed distinctive forms of Buddhism such as Zen, Pure Land, and Nichiren."

"Shinto almost died out as a viable religion but in the seventeenth century it was revitalized by tough-minded military leaders. A combination of Shinto and Confucianism was used to develop the warrior code of Bushido. The samurai (knights) who followed this code emphasized loyalty, gratitude, courage, justice, truthfulness, politeness, reserve, and honor. In Japan suicide has often been encouraged to avoid dishonor, escape from a bad life situation, or as a means of protest. When dishonored the Bushido warrior was expected to kill himself by Ara-kiri (disembowelment)."

"Shinto teaches the importance of personal cleanliness and the sense of communal guilt. Apart from subservience to the Emperor, Shintoism has no definite set of theological beliefs or code of morality. Morality and theology are naturalistic. Motoori (1730-1801), one of the most important scholars in the history of Shintoism, explains the lack of ethics in Shintoism: "It is because the Japanese were truly moral in their practice that they require no theory of morals."

"After Commodore Perry in the mid nineteenth century opened Japan to outside influence sweeping changes have occurred in the country. The Constitution of 1889 established a state supported Shinto but other religions were allowed to exist and propagate. State Shinto supported thousands of shrines and priests. The grand imperial shrine at Ise was dedicated to the mother goddess of Japan, Amaterasu. Every loyal Japanese citizen wishes to visit the Ise Shrine at least once in their life time."

"There are many Shinto sects which tend to be oriented in three major categories. First, those whose emphasis is on mountain or nature worship. Second, those who stress shamanism, divination, and faith healing such as the Tenri-kayo (Teachings of Divine Reason) sect. The third type of sectarian Shinto is more in tune with historic Shinto, reviving the myths of the origin of Japan, stressing purification rites, fasting, breath control, and other techniques similar to the Yoga cults of Hinduism. Domestic Shinto is practiced in many homes. The Jami-dana (god shelf) is found in residences. Flowers or food may be placed before this altar daily or brief prayers and devotions may take place."

"Shinto had become such an inseparable part of Japanese militarism the American occupation forces felt it necessary to direct the abolition of state support of Shinto in December of 1945. New Year's Day 1946 Emperor Hirohito disavowed the belief in his divine nature and complete religious freedom was guaranteed to every citizen."

http://urantiabook.org/archive/readers/601_shinto.htm
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Old 04-13-2009, 06:45 PM
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I just answered a question on this

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Let's compare the two!

-WWI (65 years ago) | 9/11 (9 years ago)

-Japanese Shrine (miles away) | Mosque (FEET away (two or three blocks))

-There is a prevalence of Japanese Culture on this island | Most Muslims live miles away in Brooklyn

-The funding for this source was revealed | No one knows where this money is coming from

-The builders were not controversial | The Imam Rauf has said "America was an accessory to 9/11," "Bin Laden was made in America," and he believes the US should be Sharia compliant.

-Commemorates a popularly CELEBRATED event on the island (the arrival of the Japanese on the island in the 1800s <--before Attacks on Pearl Harbor) | serves as a cruel reminder of the horrible, cowardly, unwarranted, brutal, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center on September 11Th.

-Most people on the island wanted this shrine | Most AMERICANS (throughout the entire country) do not!
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Old 04-16-2009, 06:45 PM
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The Japanese were basically suicide bombers. They may not have been too religious, but does that make it better? Seriously, the point is religion has nothing to do with war. Communists go to war. Atheists go to war. Hating Muslims because of their religion is like hating Democracy because of Tim McVeigh.
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Old 04-21-2009, 06:45 PM
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Actually, it was Rush Limbaugh who just today made that comparison, not liberals.

Originally he said it would be like building a Hindu temple-and after realizing that Japanese aren't typically Hindu, he corrected himself and said Shinto.

Either way, it's a terrible comparison. Japanese largely consider themselves non-religious. And as you said, Shinto is a peaceful religion. Islam isn't a violent religion either, but radicals construe it that way. Radical Christians, like McVeigh and the Westboro Baptist Church, exist as well. That doesn't mean all Christians are radical.
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