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Sufism Sufism is a mystical-ascetic approach to Islam that seeks to find divine love and knowledge through direct personal experience of God. By focusing on the more spiritual aspects of religion, Sufis strive to obtain direct experience of God by making use of "intuitive and emotional faculties" that one must be trained to use.


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Old 07-12-2010, 03:51 PM
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Default sufism is the only hope that islam have if it wants to survive?

because Sufi's dint believe in the cult of mo homed, and they are more like the Tibetan Buddhists who practice only a form of meditation mixed with dancing. and it very easily blends in with other religions.
have you heard of them?
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Old 07-17-2010, 03:51 PM
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Old 07-19-2010, 03:51 PM
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it's not about which religion sound nicer to you. it's about where is the truth, and i am going to worship this God for whoever He is.
God is not a joke, and Hell is not a joke.
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Old 07-22-2010, 03:51 PM
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Well threes quite a few Muslims out there like 1.3 billion, i think they'll be OK for the foreseeable future.
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Old 07-23-2010, 03:51 PM
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I never heard of them. I believe that Jesus Christ is the way, the Truth and the Life and that no one comes to the Father except by Jesus.

Islam must turn from the demon-god Allah and towards Jesus in order to save their people from the greatest deception and the most horrible fate, the "second death." One who they called a prophet has notified them. On the last day, there will be no excuse accepted.
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:51 PM
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Yes someone I know vaguely was involved with them .He is now in a mental institution .draw your own conclusions.
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Old 07-31-2010, 03:51 PM
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u sure are dumb.

what are u , 12 , 10 ye rs old
or is it just your poor IQ
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Old 08-01-2010, 03:51 PM
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Well that's what you think
the turtles has survived for long long time
maybe we should join them
what say you?
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Old 08-03-2010, 03:51 PM
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If there's no God and no afterlife, then it's OK by me.
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Old 08-07-2010, 03:51 PM
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What makes you think that Islam is trying to survive

Its more like other faiths are trying to survive -

ISLAM IS THE FASTEST GROWING RELIGION
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Old 08-10-2010, 03:51 PM
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excuse you! you're definitely mental. Sufi's believe in Pr. Muhammad PBUH so go get your information corrected. They are definitely different and more in comparison to the Buddhist monks but they are still Muslims and believe in the Qumran and prophets AS. really go do the right research because you're so wrong.
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Old 08-15-2010, 03:51 PM
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Sufies of the nation of Muhammad (PBUH) like Indian Sufies, consider the universe as an integral part & existing part of God. They do not consider it, separate from God, as a creature of God. They are of the view, that:

1.?God is everything and everything is God?.
2. ?God is one and many?.

Main point of the Prophet-hood of all the Prophets____ was to introduce One and Alone God Who does not resemble to anything and according to Muhammad (PBUH):

?Allah is the All-Alone God and it is Allah, Who gives reward to the obedient servants and retribution to the disobedient. And, there is no one, in addition to Allah or in place of Allah, who could act like that?.

And, the same education has been imparted to every Muslim, through the faith-declaring words of:
That is to say ?there is no God but Allah (the All-Alone God)?. Quran confirms these meanings, again and again, in its various Verses, of the various chapters, as it is written therein:

?Yet they (people) choose beside Allah, other gods, who create nothing but they are, themselves, created. And, they do not possess any power to hurt or profit themselves, and, they do not possess the death or the life or the power to raise the dead?.
(Al-Quran 25:3)

Inspite of all that, majority of the Muhammadans has replaced the God-worship by personality-worship. They believe in demigods treating them as all omnipotent to hurt or profit them like Allah. As such they have left aside the meanings of the word ?Allah? and the meanings of ?Worship?.

In such a situation, it seems as if, none is there who knows the meanings of God & the Almightiness of God.

As the Christians believe in God, in terms of a creature or a thing on the earth. In the same way, pantheists or Sufies believe in God, in terms of a creature or a thing on the earth. That is why that they often say that:

?God is everything and everything is God?.

Whereas it is clearly written in Bible & Quran the both that:
?Nothing is alike God?.

It means that to form an image or imagination of God by means of three-dimensional intellect or consciousness____ is not possible at all. Rather, it is not possible even by means of multidimensional intellect or consciousness___ as God is dimensions free. So, whosoever makes some image or imagination of God____ indeed he makes an idol and commits a tremendous sin and becomes an enemy of God.

?I____ and I alone____ am God
no other god is real?.
(Duet 32:39)

?Worship no god but Me!
Do not make for yourselves images
of anything. In heaven or on earth or
in the water under the earth.
Do not bow down to any idol or worship it?.
(Duet 5:7 to 9)

About 1419 years ago or even more, an event took place with a man, like us, in Mecca. The event, which has been explained in the preceding pages through the allegory of two-dimensional world or the flat world.

The event, which took place in Mecca___ is clearly mentioned in Quran___ the Revelation of the Lord to mankind. Which is, by the grace of the Gracious God, free from all sorts of errors and anagram.

Existence of the universe and it?s marvelous chain of complexed systems___ working in highly delicate fractions and frequencies___ are the ever-sounding witnesses of the existence of their Creator. Who is existing everywhere but is not an object of existence like a thing. As nothing of the existing or non-existing things can be alike the Creator. So, men, of intellect should positively pay heed, to the revealed information___ coming from the beyond of this universe.

The latest scientific result that:

?No material thing is capable to create it by itself?

is very much harmonized with the revealed truth that

?Nothing is alike the Creator (God)?

The former is not only harmonized with the latter, rather, it is rationally leading every modern information and scientific calculation of the day, to its actual and the ultimate destination. The truth springs out automatically when we join these two sentences together.

So, whenever we say that:
?No material thing is capable to create it by itself?,

then, it will be automatically decided that there is some Creator of everything. Likewise whenever we say that:
?Nothing is alike the Creator?,
then, it will be also automatically decided, that the Creator is free from every sort of organism and the Creator is Absolute and Infinite, in absolute & infinite terms as the Creator is Holy.

In presence of this vast and inapprehensible universe, we can not deny the presence of it?s Creator. Who is not encompass-able by human intellect, as the Creator is the Super-natural and the Super-physical. So we can not declare the created things as God.

If everything had been God and God had been everything, then, the revealed verdict would have not been like that:
?Nothing is alike the Creator (God)?.

Therefore, none of the things of universe, material or immaterial, solid or liquid, bright or dark, open or hidden, physical or metaphysical, partial or the whole, including the life and death, and the beginning and the end and so on____ can be declared as God or image of God___ as the creature can never be alike God.

In the other words, we cannot make any image or imagination of God. So those___ who worship any image or imagination of God____ they do not worship God___ instead they worship an idol___ made by their own intellect.

To make some image or imagination of God, is not possible and permissible on account of the fact and the verdict that ?nothing is alike god?. No soil, no stone, no wood and no metal can ever be or become alike God. None of these things can give us any idea or information, about God. We can not take the idols and images___ even as some signs or signals____ pointing to God. Such an act will be the misuse of intellect and a tremendous injustice. Intellect is ordained to believe the Unseen God in the light of the testimony of heart and that is the faith in reality.

No painter can paint any image of God and no philosopher can develop any imagination of God. That is why that to deal with the most important matter of the belief in God____ Prophets were sent by God. If they had not come then we would have been lead astray____ definitely____ on account of our material thinking.

Brain can not encompass the Creator, even, after consumption of its whole potential.

Albert Einstein has declared the universe as inapprehensible on account of its infinity. As such, he has pointed out the limits of the brain.

We can utter the word of God, Eishwar, Jehovah or Allah, as a name of the Creator. But we can not treat it, as the name, which can encompass the real existence of Creator.

Space____ is the name of a thing, which declares the space as a thing. It is the name of such a thing, which encircles the material objects but itself is like an immaterial state. In the same way God is a name but it does not declare God as a thing. And____ it is a specific name for the Creator of everything. The Creator is not a thing and nothing is alike the Creator.

The word of ALLAH is the name for God in Arabic language, which has been explained, through the following Verse of Quran:
(Al-Quran 2:255)

The Verse explains that Allah, is illa hoo
illa means: that Who is separate, beyond and nothing is alike Allah.
Hoo means: the Extremely Surprising, the Supernatural and the Super-physical_____ Who is not encompass-able by human intellect and is Supreme Lord.

In short, ALLAH is not an idol or an image, which is grasped by human intellect, in terms of a thing, or a region, or a circumference. The word ALLAH is in fact, not a name of God, instead it is an introduction of God. Who is the Absolute Creator and the Absolute Almighty. This introduction is centralized on the following two points:

1.God is the Beyond of everything.
2.God is Extremely Surprising, not encompassable by intellect.

In the light of this very introduction of God____ it is positively clarified that we can not make any image or imagination of God?s existence. Nor, we can take God in terms of the created things. Nor we can ascribe, any name of the creatures, to God as God?s name. such an ascription, is equal to treat the Creator, as a creature.

In this world, we have always witnessed that it is the enemies alone, who try to diminish the dignity of some dignitary, on account of their enmity. By and by, it is also witnessed that when someone is diminished by his enemies, he does not tolerate his insult and begins to treat his enemies____ as his enemies. So, it is the very nature of one?s behaviour, which determines one?s role, as a friend or foe. This very attitude on our part, is actually a living verse of God. That is why, that thousands years ago, God addressed Moses (PBUH) and his nation, in the following words:

?I ___ and I alone_____ am God
No other god is real?
(Duet 32:39)

?Worship no god but Me!
Do not make for yourselves
images of anything in heaven
or on earth or in the water under the earth
Do not bow down to any idol or worship it
For I am the Lord your God and
I tolerate no rivals?.
(Duet 5:7 to 9)

And____ through these words, God has provided us the answers of those questions, which may arise about God?s real existence, till the Day of Resurrection. The answers are so comprehensive, that they remove every doubt, related to God?s existence.

But when the Commandment was forsaken by the nations_____ then God sent Muhammad (PBUH), to remind it, to the nations. Who were treating God in creaturely terms and still they are treating God in creaturely terms.

Majority of the mankind, without any reason, is not agreed to consider God, over & above the images & imaginations. That is why that, the houses of worship are saturated with manifold images and idols.

Some people consider God in terms of a father, some in terms of a son, some in terms of a co-disciple5 and some in terms of a king, enthroned on the highest sky, far away from us6.

About such a limited and creaturely god, this question arises automatically that ?who created such a god?? That is why that the non-believers of God ask that if God has created everything then who created God?

This question has always been raised by the non-believers of all times and it remained unanswered. The late, renowned philosopher Bertrand Russell also raised this very question.

The question remained unanswered because of the fact that the believers of God have themselves remained ignorant of the real existence of God and presently they are polytheists, pantheists and henotheists instead of being monotheists. It seems as if the Message of Monotheism is totally forgotten by the people of Scripture. That is why that whenever they are confronted by this question that ?who created such a god?? They have no rational reply on their part except to exclaim: ?God Forbid! God forbid! God forbid!?

Doubtlessly, intellect can not encompass the existence of God but it is the only device to understand all other affairs and matters, concerning the existence of God.

Anyhow, ?God forbid? is not an answer of this atheistic question. God created intellect to ponder over the universe and cosmos and all the matters. But the believers don?t want to ponder over the universe and cosmos and all the matters in the light of the Scriptures. And, this strange situation which reflects ignorance, is more crucial than the question.

If God had been believed, according to God?s Commandments, as Super-natural and Super-physical by the human intellect. And____ it had been continuously told and taught to the coming generations, that God is not like a thing or a person. Nor a thing or a person, can be alike God. Nor a thing or a person can be considered as God?s partner. Then the question of:
?If God has created everything then who created God?

Would have never raised by the believers and non-believers, the both, about the Absolute Creator and the Absolute Holy.

It is clearly written in the religious books of Indians, that God is not like a thing, nor there is anyone to oppose God. Even then, Indians are worshipping various personalities, treating them as ROOP (appearance) and SAROOP (real appearance) of God.

It is clearly written in Bible that nothing on the earth, in heavens, or under the earth in the waters; is alike God. Even then, Christians are treating this statement of John as a correct statement that:
?No one has ever seen God. The only Son, who is the same as God?.
(John 1:18)

It is also clearly written in the Bible that:
?I___ and I alone ____ am God
No other god is real?
(Duet 32:39)

Even then, Christians believe in Trinity considering God as one of the three gods or God as a three in one.

Some Christian painters have painted God even in terms of an old man and that is the result of ignorance and of introducing God as father, an imaginable thing and the likewise beliefs.

Christians also consider Jesus as an appearance of God, and as such, they believe in a man-god. A likewise god is Krishna in India, and Buddha in the other Far East countries. Whereas worship of the man-god is prohibited everywhere in all the religions. It is written in Bhagavad-Gita:-

?But Lord Krishna even discouraged his father Nanda Maharaja from worshipping the demigod Indra, because he wanted to establish the fact that people need not worship any demigod. They need only worship the Supreme Lord, because their ultimate goal is to return to God?s abode?.

(Bhagavad-Gita As It Is, 1986-edition, Printed in Australia by Mc Pherson?s Printing Group, last 2 lines & first 3 lines of the Introduction at pages No. 20 & 21 respectively).

If Krishna had been a man-god, then, he would have declared himself as a man-god definitely. And___ he must have advised his father to worship him (Krishna) but he did not advise like that at all. Instead, he said about the worshippers of man-gods or demigods that:

?Those, whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires, surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures?.

(Bhagavad-Gita As It Is, 1986-edition, Printed in Australia by Mc Pherson?s Printing Group, lines 19 to 21 of the Introduction on page No.20).

Strange is the polytheistic synchronization that Indian people worship Krishna as man-god in the same way as Christians worship Jesus as man-god. And, the grave-worshippers in Muslims do follow the Hindus and the Christians and they are seen, even, prostrating on the graves.

Strange is the contradiction that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) used to pray to God and prostrate before God alone to fulfill his needs and necessities. But the majority of Muhammadans ask Muhammad (PBUH) to fulfill their needs & necessities. And___ these Muhammadans do give bath to the graves, in the same way, as Hindus give to their idols & images in India. All alike is the system maintained by the both, in the name of religion.
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