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Old 08-18-2009, 04:26 PM
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Default Buddhism, Tantra, Taoism, Kaballah in agreement about the "middle path"?

Are all these systems in agreement?

In other words Kaballistically speaking the avoidance of the pillars of Severity or Mercy, which are associated with Left hand and Right hand paths respectively and a focus of cultivating the balance between these aspects as the "middle pillar" (path).

The only difficulty I see here is that Tantra is considered a left-hand path by certain traditions due to it's reliance on sexual practices which I assume according to some schools of Buddhism would be considered as "sensual indulgence".....however to that I would say one must bear in mind the motivations and goal of such practices fall outside the attainment of sensual indulgence for it's own sake. Of course Tantra as a philosophy would necessarily consider that a balance between the extremes of the "masculine" Severity and "feminine" Mercy should be cultivated...as would Taoism.

This has some pretty big implications in terms of the esoteric idea of "good" vs "evil" in the sense that overt "goodness" can equally have a negative karmic effect. In other words the only action that should be practiced is that which assists in the "liberation" of self and others which include practices that could be esoterically judged as either "good" or "evil".
Prince: I think it is inherently implied. Just look at the symbolism, Yin-yang, Tree of Life etc.
General: I suggest you apply yourself to understanding the concept of Transcendental Idealism so that you do not fall into the error of a priory metaphysical assumptions. Perhaps some study of philosophy so that you understand what the terms "fact" and "reason" actually mean. Besides I am well versed in what you call "fact" and "reason".
Prince: Edit: could you explain, because I am misinterpreting Taoism.
sorry, I mean explain how I am misinterpreting Taoism....
Prince: thanks, I will have to research the term P'u as I haven't read Lao Tzu in many years. I also don't disagree with your assessment of Yin and Yang but so too would I consider "severity" and "mercy" to simply be opposite sides of the same coin....I never said anything about "diametrically opposed opposites".
Prince: Okay, I looked up P'u and I suspect this is similar to the Buddhist Samadhi and think it is more like living beyond any extremes (non dualistic state of mind) even though by normal standards it might be considered an "extreme" practice - that would simply depend on ones perspective of what "normal" is which could be an extreme in itself.
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Old 08-20-2009, 04:26 PM
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No. Taoism doesn't say anything about the middle way. Tantra and Buddhism share roots, and I don't recall anything about it in the Jewish mysticism, you know, unless you're taking liberties with seafront or whatever.

edit: I suspect you fundamentally misunderstand Taoism.
edit again: The Tao Te Ching advocates living simply. P'u is an extreme advocated by Laotze.
Also, yin and Yuan aren't diametrically opposed extremes to be avoided. Masculinity and Femininity.. Night and Day... They're subtle aspects of everything.
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Old 08-24-2009, 04:26 PM
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According to my understanding, a Middle Path is advocated in Buddhism because it is practically impossible to live by going to extremes. For example if we do not walk on the floor to prevent small animals dying we cannot do so. That does not mean to kill those animals even for food has to be allowed. Those are 2 extremes. One has to do things that are relevant to his aim. About other belief systems I do not know.
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Old 08-27-2009, 04:26 PM
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I don't know where you think you've learned Kabbalah- but it sounds like some of the junk promulgated by the Kabbalah Centre or the slightly less destructive cult of Michale Laitman the "Bnei Brak Kabbalah Centre".

In Judaism, and thus in Kabbalah- a common theme is that EVERY desire, positive and negative, can be used to serve G-d. Every path can be directed towards G-d- every aspect positive and negative can be used to serve G-d.

There is only one path, no right hand path, no left hand path, no middle path- just a path that incorporates the totality of ourselves united in serving G-d
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Old 08-29-2009, 04:26 PM
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All Tibetan Buddhist practices are tartaric practices, and there is no reliance on sexual practices.
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Old 08-31-2009, 04:26 PM
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Tantra is not in agreement and as H.P. Blavatsky put it, is "of a diseased imagination". The Book of the Concealed Mystery reveals that when balance is attained and a point of equilibrium is established, we become the "middle path" or the tree of knowledge of good and evil. This central point is the "point within the circle" of ancient symbolism, the living synthesis of counterbalanced power. The "Sepher Sephiroth, or "Book of the Emanations" describes, so to speak, the gradual evolution of the Diety from negative to positive existence, and that equilibrium hanger in that region which is negatively existent-- pure reality from which Light was created.
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Old 09-03-2009, 04:26 PM
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Right hand or left hand are not necessarily connected with severity or leniency, so different cultures may connect them differently.

In Tibetan Buddhism, being evil is called "being bound by chains of iron", while being good (at least to the extent of trying to attain Enlightenment through goodness) is called "being bound by chains of gold".

And, of course, you Arte familiar with Abraxas?
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Old 09-05-2009, 04:26 PM
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Truth is aways in agreement, Tantra is life affirming, it says yes to what is. In Tantra the female is the active principle and the male pure open awareness, the female enters the male, is consciousness manifested.
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