I know you've probably heard people ask this lots of times but...
Some things i just can't add up and seem slightly suspicious such as the horned god they believe in now to me horned god sounds a little too much like Satan. Also they believe we are fallen angles this is also a name used to describe Satan and demons etc.
The thing is i find it really interesting and yes I'm a teenager but i mean i actually find it interesting and agree with some of the things and like the ways they think about things.
But if it is bad i dint want to get into it. Also to perform spells it doesn't have anything to do with opening passage ways to the spirit world as i have heard of things like this such as Ouija boards and DO NOT want to get involved in that as i have heard all the horror stories.
So could you tell me the real beliefs of Wicca's. Thanx
Oh yeah thanks to those who have answered my question But all those going on about god dint answer this question because that's your belief and you should question how great god is before you start abusing other religions.
Traditionally, Wicca doesn't involve spells and the Ouija board doesn't have anything to do with Wicca...indeed, the spiritualist movement it came out of is a Christian one.
If you actually study Wicca...I mean a serious study of Wicca...you'll see that there are no "spirits" to be "protected from.." The dead don't do that...
The phrase "horned god" is a translation of Cernnunous (and not completely accurate) and he has antlers, which aren't even horns *biologically.*
But if you believe in Christian nonsense like Satan (or frankly, the idea that you can wave your hand and change the world...getting something for nothing) our religion isn't for you.
Wicca is first and foremost about the gods, and if they want you, they'll ask for you...they'll ask YOU for you.
Satan is a Christian construct...and some Christians say his name all the time and seem to be a heck of a lot more concerned with Satan than with living Jesus' message...that seems more like worshiping Satan to me...they bring him up all the time, insert him in everything and go on and on about him.
It is not evil. Silly as far as the occult goes but not evil. The horned god came long before Satan. It is possible that there was Baphomet, then the horned god, then the church perverted them into Satan to cover up Baphomet's positive existence in the universe. It has nothing to do with Satan because Satan does not exist. There is the God and the Triple Goddess. A Wiccan could explain better. I don't really like Wicca because it just seems ridiculous. You have to protect yourself from the spirits you call and stuff. That is all BS. If you cannot control spirits you should not be doing magi ck. The spirits are not evil as demons do not exist. I do not believe they believe in fallen angels or even angels though.
This is all propaganda by the church to suppress different points of view the horned devil was part of that propaganda Wicca worships the three part Goddess and the horned god which is the god of the hunt not the god of the Satan
Well, there's a very good reason that the Horned god sounds a lot like Satan. The horned god in the Wicca religion is a form of a much older Celtic god of the hunt. He had dear antlers and stag legs, and so on. When the catholic church came in with the roman empire to seize control of what is now Europe, they demonized many of the Celtic gods and goddesses. They also reduced many of them from deities to sainthood (saint Brigit anyone?). The original idea of a devil isn't christian. It's Sumerian.
As for Wicca...no it's not evil. The primary beliefs of the Wicca faith are to live in peace and harmony with the natural world and with those around you. Harm None is at the center of Wicca faith. Now, there isn't one single set of beliefs that can define the Wicca belief structure. You could ask that question of 12 different vicunas and get 12 different answers, each of which would be correct. Your best bet is to pick up some books on the subject. I would recommend Scott Cunningham's Guide for the Solitary Practitioner. There's a great deal of useful information and you can use that as a basis for your research.
The idea of Satan being "horned" can be directly traced to medieval writings.
On the other hand, Wicca is just as bad as any other religion and potentially a little better in some regards. You would be better off getting into a strong education, rather than deluding yourself with any religion.
There are several Hebrew and Greek words which condemn the practice of witchcraft. In the Bible we find the words "witchcraft, divination, enchantments, mediums, separatists, sorcery." All of these practices are condemned in the strongest terms.
Deut 18:10
"There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer"
Deut 18:14
"For those nations, which you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice witchcraft and to diviners, but as for you, the LORD your God has not allowed you to do so."
2 Kings 17:17
"Then they made their sons and their daughters pass through the fire, and practiced divination and enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, provoking Him."
2 Kings 21:6
"He made his son pass through the fire, practiced witchcraft and used divination, and dealt with mediums and separatists. He did much evil in the sight of the LORD provoking Him to anger."
2 Chron 33:6
"He made his sons pass through the fire in the valley of Ben-hansom; and he practiced witchcraft, used divination, practiced sorcery and dealt with mediums and separatists. He did much evil in the sight of the LORD, provoking Him to anger."
Nahum 3:4
"All because of the many harlotry's of the harlot, The charming one, the mistress of sorcerers, Who sells nations by her harlotry's and families by her sorcerers.
Acts 8:9
"Now there was a man named Simon, who formerly was practicing magic in the city and astonishing the people of Samaria, claiming to be someone great;"
Acts19:19
And many of those who practiced magic brought their books together and began burning them in the sight of everyone; and they counted up the price of them and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver.
Ga 5:20* idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
Re 18:23* and the light of a lamp will not shine in you any longer; and the voice of the bridegroom and bride will not be heard in you any longer; for your merchants were the great men of the earth, because all the nations were deceived by your sorcery..
The Scriptures condemn all sorcery as opposed to a proper sense of dependence upon God. In Galatians 5:20 witchcraft is listed as being one of the acts of the sinful nature. The book of Revelation contains several passages that condemn sorcery in the strongest terms (9:21; 18:23; 21:8; 22:15).
The Bible teaches that only God has the right to understand the realm of the supernatural (Gen. 40:8), and that intrusion into the realm of the occult makes one worthy of death (Ex. 22:18)(Also see Leviticus 19:31; 2 Kings 21:6; 23:24; 1 Chron. 10:13-14; Isaiah 8:19; 19:3).
Exodus 22:18
King James Bible
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Wow. I have no idea where you are getting some of your information, but it is not accurate. Ok, here's a run-down.
The Horned God: Is not Satan. Europeans worshiped many deities before Christianity supplanted the indigenous pagan religions. Some of these deities were depicted as having horns to represent their lordship of horned animals and herds... their dominion over the animals that provided food for the European hunters and herdsmen (deer, goats, sheep, cattle etc). When Christianity came into these regions, they insisted that their God was the only one and that all others were evil... Christians took the images and depictions of these horned deities and used them to describe their own figure of "Satan" in order to scare people away from the pagan religions of their ancestors. Wicca revived the celebration of the Horned God and Wiccans do not believe in the devil or Satan because Satan is a figure that is Christian by nature and has no place in Wicca or paganism. Wiccan's don't worship Satan because they simply don't believe in him.
Fallen angels: I've NEVER heard a Wiccan describing anyone as a fallen angel. It's simply not a belief I've ever seen associated with Wicca. Period.
Spells: Yes, Wiccans can and do perform witchcraft and spells. It's not the core of the religion (the core revolves around the God and Goddess and natural cycles) but witchcraft is permitted and taught by Wicca.
Ouija Boards: Don't open passageways to anywhere. If it is used the way it's designed to be used, it is nothing more then a funny board game meant to tit late and amuse. It is possible to use the Ouija board as a divination tool, but when used this way it is no stranger or worse then pendulums, dousing rods, tarot cards or augury. All of these things merely tap into ones own intuitive sense and do not have anything to do with communicating with spirits.
If it bothers you, makes you nervous, scares you or otherwise seems suspicious to you, then you will probably not be able to effectively study it. No religion is inherently "bad." No religion has bad intentions. Every religion has the potential to be truly enlightening and enriching to a persons life if they follow it with love in their hearts. Just about every religion, however, has a corrupt side... Christianity is well-known for its corrupt churches, but this does not define Christianity is inherently corrupt. Same with Wicca... you may run across some Wiccans that are very negative people who are cruel and rude etc, but most Wiccans I know are loving, compassionate and empowered people.
-Scarlet
hello I'm wincing and i can help u out with sum basic info. read up on Salem witch trials of 1692
here is a website that will help 2 WNW.wicca.com . for me people dint like thing that dint dint understand like holy rollers they r the 1s that started the whole thing
a voodoo maid named tachyon i think that's how u spell her name and 2 little girl and sum bad wheat that they made there bread with the 2 little girls said they seen the the devil so the church got scared and that horned god u spoke of is a good guy and if Wicca was so bad y did 38,000 show up 2 salem mass every year so check out sum videos online
good luck and blessed be =o)
Wicca is a modern, polytheistic religion with ritual generally centered upon a patron god and goddess. It stresses polarity and balance, as well as responsibility for ones own actions. Wiccans see the physical and spiritual worlds as being intimately connected. Wicca is an esoteric religion, with the real truths of it being learned through experience, rather than through instruction. The various practices of Wicca are to help people find those experiences and lessons. Wicca has no prophet and no holy books.
Not all Wiccans honor the horned god. Regardless, the horned god has nothing to do with Satan. Why would you confuse the two? Just because two figures have horns, they must be one in the same? Heck, there's plenty of depictions of Satan without horns, and often the horned god is pictured as having antlers rather than horns anyway.
Wicca has nothing to do with angels, fallen or otherwise. Not sure where you got that idea.
Wicca is not about spells, nor is about talking to the dead. No Wiccan is required to do either.
Wicca is a very complex faith which embraces widely varying practices and many different Traditions. The following, however, is what I consider to be "the basics".
Wicca is about 60 years old, with roots in Masonic practices, ceremonial magic, and the Romantic era's ideas of classical religions. Its founder was a British civil servant named Gerald Gardner.
It is in many ways a postmodern faith, embracing religious relativism, and one that resonates powerfully for increasing numbers of people.
The central tenet of the Wiccan religion is the Wiccan Rede: "If you harm none, do what you will." This is a deceptively simple "commandment" which can take a lifetime to contemplate and to master. Many Wiccans also believe in the Law of Threefold Return, sometimes called the Rule of Three: ?Whatever you do, for good or ill, will come back upon you three times over.?
Wiccans honor Deity as both male and female, God and Goddess -- or at the very least as Goddess. Many Wiccans believe that the universe is the body of God/Des, and therefore that all things contain Divine energy and that the world itself is sacred. Some Wiccans are polytheists (many God/disses); others are duo theists (God and Goddess, of whom all other Gods and Goddesses are simply aspects); others are monotheists (God and Goddess Themselves are simply aspects of an unknowable Source).
Wiccans generally do not believe that God/dess is separate from the world; therefore, we have no concept of salvation, since God/dess is present to all and always. Many Wiccans believe that God/dess is too big to fit inside one religion -- all religions/spiritual paths are ways of reaching the same goal, and atheism and agnosticism are honorable perspectives on the mystery of life.
Each Wiccan operates as their own priest/ess. We do not have a distinction between clergy and laity. Therefore, each Wiccan is responsible for their own personal development and for forging their own relationship with God/dess. Some Wiccans practice in covens, which are generally initiatory and require a long period of study (traditionally a year and a day) before entering. Others practice in loosely affiliated groups of solitaries, which are Wiccans who practice outside of traditional coven structure. Others simply practice alone.
Wiccans do not usually have churches. We create sacred space as and where needed, by casting "circles" of energy which function as temples. When inside those circles, we invite the spirits of the four Platonic elements (air, fire, water, and earth) to join us, as well as the Goddess and the God (or at minimum the Goddess).
Wiccans have celebrations which are timed to both the solar and lunar calendars. The solar festivals -- held at the solstices, the equinoxes, and four points in between them -- are called sabbats.
I guess only you can decide for yourself, whether Wicca is "good" or "bad" -- But i would hope you would do some very sincere research and study before making that decision, so it would not just be a matter of prejudice or gossip or what you've "heard" from somebody with a grudge or fear against it......
The "Horned God" sounds a little like the Devil because Christianity demonized the earlier, Prue-Christian, pagan Gods. One of the first things a conqueror does, is demonize the religion of the conquered people, so they can invest their "gods" into the culture, and get their people sharing it, instead. When early Christian leaders heard that many pagan Gods had horns, they said the Devil has horns.
I strongly recommend you study up on the origins of the Devil / Satan - here:
http://www.tannerlectures.utah.edu/lectures/documents/Pagels99.pdf
The pagan gods have horns to represent the horned creatures that they hunted, who provided their food, shelter, clothing, etc,; the wild, untamed energies and cycles of Nature, and also to represent the Goddess and the "horns" of the crescent Moon, which is one of Her symbols.
I don't know where you got the idea that Wicca "believes we are fallen angels" -- That is simply NOT true. Whoever told you that does NOT know about (authentic) Wicca, and i would be very careful about accepting anything else he or she tells you.
Here are some good, valid sources of information on (authentic, real!) Wicca :
RESOURCES FOR WICCANS:
CoG - Covenant of the Goddess - http://www.cog.org
CoG is a national organization of (legally-recognized Wiccan "churches) - Wiccan covens, clergy and solitaries -- with local "councils" in many cities.
CoG provides general, basic information, links to resources and other organizations, Groups, Covens, teachers, High Priest(Essa)es, and much more.
2. Circle Sanctuary - http://www.circlesanctuary.org
Circle is a Pagan (not just Wiccan) Sanctuary, working farm, and learning center. It offers training, workshops, festivals, networking, and sponsors other organizations (notably, Lady Liberty League (http://www.ladylibertyleague.org) which offers support, resources, networking and advocacy for any Pagans experiencing religious persecution.
4. Witchvox - http://www.witchvox.com
Witchvox is a wonderful resource that offers general, basic information, referrals and links to local and regional resources on Pagan Classes, Groups, Organizations, Merchants, and more.
5. Wicca For the Rest of Us - - http://wicca.timerift.net/ -
One of the better Pagan internet sites; lots of good information, articles, resources, links, networking, etc.
4. ?Beginning Wicca? Yahoo Group - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BeginningWicca/
- One of the better Yahoo groups with several High Priests and Priestess members, so there are lots of good discussions and good information available in both the online discussions, and the Files section.
5. Religious Tolerance ? Pages on Wicca: http://www.religioustolerance.org/witchcra.htm
B. BOOKS:
1. Books And Authors To Avoid:
AVOID anything by:
Silver Ravenwolf
Douglas Monroe's "21 Lessons of Merlin",
Kisma Stepanich, and Edain McCoy
3 . Good Book Resources On Wicca:
a. Ellen Cannon Reed's "The Heart of Wicca" --
http://www.amazon.com/Heart-Wicca-Wise-Words-Crone/dp/1578631742
NOTE: This is the very first and major book i would reccomend!
b. Starhawk's "The Spiral Dance",
c. Janet and Stewart Farrar's "The Witches Bible" -
d. Ray Buckland's "Buckland's Complete Book of Witchcraft" ?
e. Gerald Gardner's "Witchcraft Today" and "The Meaning of Witchcraft"
4. Finally, i thought i'd offer the following link to an article i wrote on
"Getting Started In Wicca": - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Witch_Essentials/message/17736
I hope all of that is helpful -- Blessed Be -
Gaia_d@yahoo.com
The Horned God is not Satan. In their attempts to squash the pagan religions, the ancient Christians took images and names of pagan deities and claimed that their Satan character had those attributes. This is why common representations show a Satan figure who looks very much like the god Pan holding Poseidon (or Neptune's) trident and bearing the name of the Roman god of light, Lucifer. The original depiction of Satan had none of these attributes, but the demonetization of pagan gods was mostly successful, so when people think of any of them, they instantly think of Satan. Throughout mythology, there are many instances of nature deities or deities of the hunt having horns or antlers. It's a symbol of the connection these deities have with the animals who also have horns or antlers. Our God has horns for this same reason. Not all Wiccans see Him as having horns, but in any case, He is very unlike the character that Christians call Satan. He is a nature deity and a God of the hunt. Some see Him with horns like Pan and some see Him with antlers like Cernunnos, but He is neither good nor evil, but natural and omnipresent.
As for the fallen angels thing, I've never heard that. No Wiccan that I know believes that we are angels, fallen or otherwise. We believe that we all have a spark of the divine, but not that we're angels, and we certainly don't believe that we're different than any other human.
Wicca is a religion like any other religion. There are bad Wiccans just as there are bad Christians, but there is nothing dangerous about the religion itself. We honor our gods, celebrate our holidays, and seek to understand our universe and the nature of the divine. It's not the right path for everyone, but for those that it does call, it's very spiritually rewarding.
Wicca is not witchcraft at all, and witchcraft has nothing to do with the calling or use of spirits. Not all Wiccans are witches and not all witches are Wiccans. Witchcraft deals with the use of ones will to cause a change in ones own life, and is completely natural. Many Wiccans practice witchcraft along with their religion, but it's not required, so you can be Wiccan without worrying about practicing witchcraft.
Venus Bless
Is Wicca Bad?? Really?
But all those going on about god dint answer this question because that's your belief and you should question how great god is before you start abusing other religions.
